#74 How To Beat Injury: Insights from the BJJ Physiotherapist Siobhan Mooren
Do you have a Physiotherapist? Do they train BJJ? Siobhan Mooren came to Jiu-jitsu with martial arts experience from Karate and also playing AFL football. She has suffered a torn Labrum in her hip from wake boarding and had to eventually have surgery. For 6 months she trained and battled through the injury until she couldn’t walk. Needless to say she is one tough human.
Originally she wanted to be a veterinarian but her love of sport and lifting lead her towards studying physiotherapy. On today’s episode she drops key insights into what you need to do to avoid injury and what it takes to bounce back.
If you have an injury and live in QLD Australia and looking for a Great Physiotherapist you can book in with Siobhan by clicking the link below:
Speaker 1: 0:00
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Speaker 2: 0:30
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Speaker 3: 0:55
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another Bulletproof for BJA J podcast. I am JT. And today on the podcast, we have a very special guest’s my good lady , Shon Mor , and she is , uh , practicing physio from sports and spinal on the sunshine coast. She is also , uh , a good member of the Bulletproof for BJ J community. And she’s doing BJ at temple
Speaker 1: 1:21
Speaker 3: 1:22
Welcome Shae . How you going?
Speaker 4: 1:24
Good. Thanks for having me excited .
Speaker 3: 1:26
Oh , my great pleasure. I can’t wait to , uh , fast upon you. All of the , uh , BJJ injury questions that everybody has.
Speaker 4: 1:34
Speaker 3: 1:35
Let’s start at the start because you know, it’s hard to find physios who understand BJJ . Yep . There are plenty of good physios out there, but to find someone who actually does jujitsu understand it gets it , uh , is not the easiest thing. So let’s start at the start. How did you get into being a physiotherapist?
Speaker 4: 1:58
All right . So I’m currently in my third year of practicing outta uni during high school. I always wanted to be a vet actually. Oh . Um , but then yeah, halfway through year to 12, I decided I didn’t wanna do that. And I was a bit lost. Um, but I always loved PE and biology. So I decided what mixes, the two of those together physio. So I managed to get into the course , um, at Latrobe in Melbourne, which was really lucky. And then yeah, went through and actually really loved it, which was lucky. <laugh> did my four year uni degree and , um, worked with some, like play clubs during that as well. Really enjoyed the sports side of it. And then yeah, worked for a year in Melbourne at a clinic. And then about 14 months ago, I moved up here to the sunshine coast. So I’ve been working up here ever since.
Speaker 3: 2:44
Nice having your physio background. Yes. Yep . At what point in the journey does jujitsu come into the picture for you?
Speaker 4: 2:53
When did I start jujitsu? I’ve been doing it for about four and a half years. So probably halfway through uni , uh , to quit football, playing , um , AFL to be able to fit in jujitsu <laugh> yeah, I was doing karate for a bit longer before that. Probably from year 11 onwards and then yeah, at my karate club, one of our black belts, he’s a black belt under John will and Melbourne. So yeah, he had his own club out in Ballarat and then he would come down to Melbourne to our club once or twice a week , um , to run some jujitsu classes as a bit of an extension from his own jujitsu school. And then yeah, I kept watching them and thinking, oh , this is really cool. I wanna do that. So then yeah, I , uh , finally gave it to go on . Absolutely loved it. It’s fun. Being able to tackle people and , and wrestle people
Speaker 3: 3:38
<laugh> yes, indeed. And
Speaker 4: 3:39
Yeah. So I’ve been doing that since then.
Speaker 3: 3:42
And do you think that your , because you’ve mentioned that you were playing footy, right? Yeah . And for most people out there, depending on where you are in Australia or the world. Yeah . We’re talking about AFL, right?
Speaker 4: 3:52
I’m talking AFL. Yeah . I’m from Victoria. So AFL is footy <laugh>
Speaker 3: 3:56
<laugh> . And do you think that that gave you a bit of a orientation to like, because obviously there’s a bit of bump yes . Uh , with AFL yeah . That made you less sensitive coming into your like first ju to experience.
Speaker 4: 4:10
Yeah, definitely a hundred percent. Um , my footy coach, you always say like, cuz of the karate that I did, we did have some, you know, fair bit of grappling. And cuz we had that guy that taught the Jitsu , you know, he had integrated some of the jujitsu into our karate curriculum, so it wasn’t completely fresh. It’s not pretty coach all I said I was good at tackling. And then yeah, I definitely had that sort of body contact exposure prior to
Speaker 3: 4:33
Apple and tackle. Yeah .
Speaker 4: 4:35
<laugh> it was my favorite part. <laugh> nice . Um , so , and it was good cuz like the people that were doing the jujitsu, I already knew them. So it was really comfortable. Um, yeah. I think walking in fresh to a club, especially as a girl would be really hard if you didn’t have something prior, so mad respect to everyone that does that.
Speaker 3: 4:53
Um , yeah. And I think for some guys too, like it’s
Speaker 4: 4:56
Speaker 3: 4:57
Just coming into a , such a weird environment. It’s very good . Even though, you know, obviously the voice of Joe Rogan ringing in you is going , I’ve gotta do this. Joe said so. And then you’re like, what are they doing? Yeah . On the floor rolling around. This is weird
Speaker 4: 5:14
And uncomfortable when you’re not used to it. For sure.
Speaker 3: 5:16
Yeah. And then just getting some big sweaty guy squashing on you from side control.
Speaker 4: 5:22
It’s bizarre. Isn’t it? <laugh>
Speaker 3: 5:23
But we love it. And
Speaker 4: 5:25
It’s fun . Yep .
Speaker 3: 5:26
How long have you been training BJJ now?
Speaker 4: 5:29
Four and a half years. Minus year of injury in COVID so yeah.
Speaker 3: 5:34
Yeah , come on . But you , you you’re in deep enough, we you’re part of the jujitsu cult .
Speaker 4: 5:38
<laugh> that’s it definitely
Speaker 3: 5:40
Kidding. Now . So with , with that in mind, what has been your experience of injuries personally? And then how do you approach that being a physio?
Speaker 4: 5:50
Yep . So I’ve been lucky with jujitsu actually. I haven’t really done anything from jits . I think I , I don’t know . I’ve got enough awareness of my body that I know when to tap or pull out or like let things go. Yep . So the only real injury I had was from wakeboarding. I tore a bunch of the ligaments in my hip , um , which , oh , hip labrum. So that was , had to get that repaired . Um , so that was like, yeah , that’s my big injury, but it wasn’t from jujitsu.
Speaker 3: 6:18
Talk about that a little bit. Like yeah , because most people in jujitsu are usually suffer other major joint injuries. Yeah . Not necessarily hip. Yeah . But if you’re tearing your labrum is a serious thing,
Speaker 4: 6:30
Especially when it’s a acute traumatic thing. Um, yeah . So I did that wake boarding . So I managed to get by about six months without surgery and then it just got super sore cuz I kept training <laugh> um , yeah , it was very smart. But then
Speaker 3: 6:45
You listen to you miss physio training with your injury. My goodness,
Speaker 4: 6:49
My own worst enemy. It was actually alright . Like it calmed down probably 95% and then it just slowly got a bit worse cuz it just, I tore like the anterior and posterior labor and tore some cartilage up with it and just made a real mess.
Speaker 3: 7:03
Wow . It , yeah . Now for , for people out there who have no idea what a labor me is true and like I’m a bit of an anatomy nerd. So I do understand what it is. Yeah . Uh , also a lot of people out there who’ve never had a hip injury and I have , uh , may not understand how painful it is. Yeah . I think this is gonna speak to you are a very tough person. My God. How were you even walking around? Let alone doing bloody jujitsu.
Speaker 4: 7:32
Yeah. Like I said, it settled fairly well. Like I sort of was on top of it pretty quickly. Like when it happened, I suppose all of the muscles in my leg seized up as a bit of a protective mechanism, but that settled within a week or so. Um, I just had a bit of groin pain, just light burning. Um , but you know, I could do everything, some great buy and takedowns were a little bit hard, but <laugh> everything else is alright . Um , but then after a while it got worse and worse until the point I couldn’t walk properly and then like, yeah, I should probably go get a scan <laugh> and , and then yeah , we realized how bad it was. So yeah. Didn’t get the surgery in the end. Um, which was a whole thing in itself. Um ,
Speaker 3: 8:13
So yeah, cuz that’s something that is not commonly talked about. A lot of people out there have lingering issues. Yes . That maybe similar to yourself, just kind of let it run until you can no longer stand it. Yeah . But the thing that isn’t discussed and Joe’s talked about this plenty is surgery is its own type of trauma. Yeah . And then you’ve gotta deal with like, it’s not just like the surgery happens, magical wand , you are fixed, you’ve got a rehab from even, even though it’s keyhole or whatever it might be like, you’ve gotta bounce back that . So what was the easier , like what was the kind of comeback timeline from you having surgery on your hip?
Speaker 4: 8:54
It was pretty slow. I, I mean, this was like peak COVID lockdown in Melbourne. So I just snuck in to get surgery before they stopped doing the elective surgeries. Um,
Speaker 3: 9:05
Speaker 4: 9:06
Yeah. Which was really lucky. But then a couple weeks after I was about two weeks postop and then my family got COVID so we were in lockdown for about a month. So I missed that early rehab, which in hindsight, like made a big difference. Not being able to really do anything early and me thinking I could rehab it myself as well, which lesson learnt physios need physios <laugh> and coaches, me coaches. True. Learned that the hard way. Um , so yeah, we like, I got it pretty good. Um , but I suppose overall it’s probably like six to probably nine months before it felt reasonable. And even then I still sometimes have problems with it, but generally like it doesn’t stop me doing anything now. Um , but yeah, I was lucky cuz no one else is doing jujitsu either . Cuz it was COVID right . So didn’t feel so bad missing
Speaker 3: 9:53
It. You didn’t have crazy FOMO.
Speaker 4: 9:55
No. Which was lucky the timing for me, otherwise it would’ve been very miserable.
Speaker 3: 10:00
<laugh> it’s tough. Isn’t it? When you get signed line through injury,
Speaker 4: 10:03
Especially such a long term thing. So yeah, it was yeah . A lot so than I thought it would be postop . Yeah . And just, yeah, you lose a lot of stability when they do that. Cause they do actually have to pop your hip joint when they do the labor repair. So you’d like now even like you just lose that stability in your hip forever basically.
Speaker 3: 10:22
And so you had to do a lot of subsequent, you know, tightening, strengthening, stability, work around the hip, right?
Speaker 4: 10:28
Yeah . Still do same with , if you do ACE , you come and go do it forever.
Speaker 3: 10:32
Yeah . It’s for life.
Speaker 4: 10:34
Yeah . <laugh> I’m stuck with that one now. Um , but yeah . Constant working on it.
Speaker 3: 10:39
That’s pretty major. Yeah. All right . And now do you like which hip was
Speaker 4: 10:42
It? My left hip
Speaker 3: 10:44
Is that like left Glu , like massive, you know how tennis players get like a really strong arm from like always swinging the racket. You you’re always just doing like fire hydrants and Glu activation on that side. You got this big left glute
Speaker 4: 10:59
<laugh> it’s not too bad. My left back is super tight. Just as a compensator thing still. Um, or anything still . Um , so yeah, it’s still a work in progress. It took my Glu ages to, I don’t like the word switch on , but feel like, feel like they were working,
Speaker 3: 11:13
Feel the connection.
Speaker 4: 11:14
Yeah. Like, I mean they’re obviously working . I was walking around, but yeah, to feel that connection,
Speaker 3: 11:18
There’s plenty of people walking around whose glutes are not working properly. <laugh>
Speaker 4: 11:24
Yeah, it took, it’s been a very good learning curve now. I love treating hips cuz I get it now. Um, but
Speaker 3: 11:30
Yeah , it’s interesting. Isn’t it? That you injury is such a educator. Yes. Whether you’re, you know, you’re a physio or you’re just a regular person doing jujitsu, you get a bad injury and you go through that process of seeing the physio, seeing the surgeons yeah . Doing the bloody rehab and then you really understand what makes a joint work. Yeah . And then you’re like, I don’t wanna do that again. <laugh>
Speaker 4: 11:55
Initially I want no more serious injuries please. But now I have good empathy for all my patients that come through with , with big things and come in the sound and stuff. So I think that’s, it’s been helpful in that way
Speaker 3: 12:05
With your practice. Are you seeing, are you seeing any Jitsu people come through at all? Like is there a bit of a connection there
Speaker 4: 12:14
Sort of like talk to the people at the club while they’re there and sort of screen them as needed? Um, no, I don’t see too anywhere , fairly like general clinic. So just see absolutely everything I do prefer like legs , lower limb stuff. Um, but I get a few like different combat sport people.
Speaker 3: 12:32
Cause I was gonna say in Queensland and this is a gross generalization, but from what, from what I understand, like, you know, kickboxing is incredibly popular and some of the greatest kickboxers to ever like , you know, and I’m sure some Norwin people are gonna get upset about this <laugh> but you know, like, you know , uh , Wayne part , John Wayne part , JWP the legend , uh , out of Bouch gym . I’m a huge fan of his, I , I went to that gym , uh , in Burley many years ago. Uh , and , and the culture of kickboxing is , is very big , uh , in Queensland. Do you , do you see kick boxes coming through the injuries or?
Speaker 4: 13:05
Um , we’ve had few through , um , that I’ve seen I’ve had good like a professional boxer come in recently. Um, that was pretty cool. One of the others saw him. Um, yeah, not hips . I think on the coast there seems to be a lot of jujitsu. I’ll definitely notice that. And there’s a really large Brazilian community , um, on the sunny coast as well. So yeah, definitely lots of Jitsu gyms. Um, and yeah, we do see a few come through probably more than kickboxing I reckon.
Speaker 3: 13:32
Okay . What I wanted to do is circle around because within Bulletproof, both Joey and I are constantly having conversations with people on and off the mats. Yeah . It’s like when someone finds out, oh, you’re a physio or you’re a dentist, you know, just randomly they’re like, Hey, can you just have a look at my ankle? It’s a bit like kind of twist it . You’re like, dude, we’re we’re at a party like chill
Speaker 4: 13:54
Speaker 3: 13:55
I’ll do . Yep . I don’t wanna , I don’t wanna do the , uh , range of motion analysis this minute. Yeah.
Speaker 4: 14:00
Like people don’t realize how like complex and assessment can be. That’s a five second thing
Speaker 3: 14:05
And don’t get me wrong. I’ve had that many injuries over time from doing TaeKwonDo. Yeah . As well as doing Brazilian jujitsu that when you have a niggling injury, it’s the worst. Yes . And I , I , I get it, you know, nearly all of us have something, if you do combat sports or footy or whatever you do, there’s always something. And if you don’t have a, you’re probably not training. No ,
Speaker 4: 14:27
<laugh> , it’s not
Speaker 3: 14:29
That’s right. That’s right. It’s , it’s always there residually. Yeah . And I guess what I’d like to ask you, especially for people listening in is they’re gonna be like, all right , excellent. Is your mastermind, tell us all of the answers down the internet
Speaker 4: 14:44
Speaker 3: 14:45
What are common mistakes or is there anything that you see on the map? Yeah . Or with teammates or in your experience of jujitsu that you feel could be corrected or, or , or some advice that you would give people who do in jujitsu to either help avoid injury or not make it worse in your experience?
Speaker 4: 15:05
Yeah . I think a lot of people, I suppose this is what you guys go on about as well. It was just only doing jujitsu and nothing else. Um, so you know, whether that’s strengthening or stretching or both, ideally like I know a lot of people at our gym just train Jitt . So I’ve been trying to get them to do your program actually <laugh>
Speaker 3: 15:24
One way , thank you. <laugh> yeah.
Speaker 4: 15:25
Or , or doing the wrong things at the gym. Right. Like, you know, just sort of doing more things that would exacerbate those jujitsu , like positions and you know, any issues , um , and not doing, you know , the reverse, like what you guys , um , try and get doing. So that’s probably the main thing. Um, we seem to get a lot of rib and knee injuries at our club. Um, so I think some of them just not knowing your own limits or when to tap or when to, you know, let go or roll out of something and you know, as well, or just a bit of body awareness as well, especially for knees, like
Speaker 3: 16:00
Speaker 4: 16:01
Yeah. A lot of people are train , you know, if they’re training strengths, they’re not training like their agility or appropriate , receptive things where they have that good control of their knee, which is obviously gonna be massive in ,
Speaker 3: 16:13
Do you find cuz it , we actually did an episode on this not too long ago, we were talking about that different actions you do when you’re passing guard versus when you’re playing guard. Yep . And so that’s, it might sound controversial, but when we actually look at the movement patterns quite seriously, it myself, even with knee injuries when I’ve come back. Yeah . I , I didn’t play guard for the first kind of two, three months. Yeah . Because I needed to have my foot on the ground to stabilize my knee, just putting my leg up in the air where someone can just grab it and yank it. Yep . Is not really a , an ideal position. Yeah . At your gym. You’re saying you’re seeing knee and rib injuries . Yeah. Do people play more guard? Are people doing more? Takedowns like, what is it, do you think, are you seeing any common patterns that might be resulting in these injuries?
Speaker 4: 17:00
Um, with the knees, I seem to see more like, like a kind of pivot shift injury where they’ve got their foot planted actually in someone else’s garden , they’re trying to pass and they twist, but the other person, you know, pushes their legs to the side and they have their foot planted and their knee gets ripped around and I’ve seen a few near misses , um, with that one as well as people just jump in and doing like cartwheels over the top of people and landing funny. Wow . Yeah .
Speaker 3: 17:25
<laugh> and is this what belt level is this? Cause this is, could be another qualification on it .
Speaker 4: 17:30
White and blue belts I suppose.
Speaker 3: 17:32
Oh , classic.
Speaker 4: 17:33
Yeah . Every everyone. Um, yeah. I think especially if you got a partner that’s a bit less experience and I dunno how to protect you or you know , how knees should go. <laugh> um, I know when you were doing a few leg locks , there was a few people that were getting some, some knee injuries, Uhhuh . So we stopped doing those for a while . <laugh>
Speaker 3: 17:55
It’s difficult because before
Speaker 4: 17:56
I got a little bit more mature throughout the journey, so they knew what was going on a bit more. I think there was a few like people that were still pretty fresh, so they didn’t still have that appreciation of, you know, limits for people and, and whatnot . So that’s been , which is really good.
Speaker 3: 18:11
I , I think that’s another thing that’s good to touch on is that, you know, don’t get me wrong. I , I feel like when I was training at absolute, in the main Melbourne, you had to be a blue belt to be able to do leg locks . Like , I mean , all the , all the white belts were like, but we wanna learn it. And Locky was like, no, I mean, you can learn fences and stuff, but you can’t actually roll with leg locks. Yeah . Uh , like heel hooks, toe holds knee bars . And then also it was a , a clear understanding that most people, you don’t feel pain in the joint. Yes . Before your ligament snap, you , you know, you might , you might feel, you might feel tension. You might feel, oh my , oh my knees. A bit tight. And then, and then, oh , that’s a knee construction. Yeah , yeah .
Speaker 4: 18:59
Yeah. Not good. Yeah. I think that’s a good rule . I think that’s probably what Lucas my current coach is gonna do. I’m sure will come around to it soon. But yeah, there was a few people getting a bit too excited with them <laugh> it was causing some problems.
Speaker 3: 19:13
And I guess the other thing I’d ask you because you know, it’s not a matter of , uh , blaming lower belts at all. Nice . But generally, I dunno if this is just like a , a confirmation bias <laugh> , you know, be because as the longer you stay in jujitsu, you become more aware of injuries, right? Yes. Yeah . And so you don’t, once you’ve had that surgery level injury, you’re like , uh , please. No , I don’t want that again. So then either you become more conservative or you play a game that doesn’t push you down that track. Yep . You know, and that , that idea of training smarter yes. For yourself. Would you say that that is, is the case that you would see probably maybe less experienced grapplers getting more injured than more experienced travels? Or is that just a bit of a, is it evenly distributed? What , what do you see?
Speaker 4: 20:06
I reckon that it’s probably more, even with ours. I think the people that are a bit higher up definitely trained smarter and you know, obviously understand it a lot more, but they still seem to cough injuries . I don’t know if it’s just cause they’re all , they all tend to be a little bit older or what’s going on there. But I think our is relatively evenly spread. Maybe the higher belts are trying sort of more complex things for the copying injuries that way
Speaker 3: 20:30
Would you attribute probably the fact that across the board, is there anyone that you can look to who really looks after their bodies? Do you know, have you met in one ? We are like, wow, that person is really not injured. Cuz they’re so strong and flexible.
Speaker 4: 20:44
Ooh . At agen specifically, I’m trying to
Speaker 3: 20:46
Think. Oh , in general, is there anyone you’ve met injur two who has been able to, you know, skirt the pitfalls of injury?
Speaker 4: 20:55
I don’t know . I think everyone cops , every something at some stage, I think it’s inevitable. No , no matter how well you take care of yourself, you know, if your partner just does the wrong thing and you get caught in the wrong spot, like , you know, it doesn’t matter. Right?
Speaker 3: 21:06
Yeah. No one’s getting out unscathed.
Speaker 4: 21:08
No, <laugh> um , I can’t think of anyone specifically. No, everyone’s pretty good, but I don’t know that anyone. Oh actually, no , we do have a couple of blue belts. They’re pretty, pretty switched on with it and they do a lot of gym and rehab. Um, but yeah, they still cop injuries.
Speaker 3: 21:25
<laugh> okay. And so for yourself now with your own, Jisu, you’re a physio, obviously you do your best to set a good example, but it sounds like you’re a bit of a Savage. So you <laugh> , there’s a bit of ,
Speaker 4: 21:38
Speaker 3: 21:38
A bit of tough girl pride in there that you just like wanna get after it. You’ve been doing a bit of Bulletproof. Yes. Is there anything in particular that you’ve changed or you do differently now compared to previously
Speaker 4: 21:50
A lot more single leg stuff and I’ve grown to love ketlebells
Speaker 3: 21:55
A lot. There you go. Look
Speaker 4: 21:57
Out now . Um , I think the single leg stuff or single arm as well, made a big difference and just understanding how to, you know, incorporate some good core work within those like exercise . Like you bent over road progressions, for example, been really cool. The mobility exercises as well. There’s been some been there that I really struggle with actually. So they’ve been really good. <laugh>
Speaker 3: 22:21
Speaker 4: 22:22
The thing I dislike doing the most love doing strengths. I mobility’s always the thing I have to force myself
Speaker 3: 22:28
Do . <laugh> that is honestly, that would be everybody because everybody goes, oh , the mobility’s the best. Like when I do it, I feel so much better. Yeah . But it kind of sucks. Right. Horrible. Almost no one does it consistently. Someone’s like I did it one time. It felt awesome. But I just, I haven’t, I haven’t had time. Yeah . But I’ve been able to do all the strength training, but
Speaker 4: 22:49
Just, yeah , that sounds great. <laugh> yeah. Yep . Yeah, no, we’ve been , we’ve been good actually at our club . Like everyone’s staying after class now and doing some stretches for about 10 minutes, which has been really cool.
Speaker 3: 22:59
Speaker 4: 23:00
I should’ve started doing still gotta get the before class stretch is going a little bit better, but um, yeah, definitely. The mobility is the thing that I’ve learned a lot from now having to do it. Never used to have to do it, but I do now. <laugh> always used to get away with it. And now, now I don’t. So,
Speaker 3: 23:16
Well look, you look very young. I , I have no idea actually how old you are . I don’t say it in a condescending way.
Speaker 4: 23:22
<laugh> still young
Speaker 3: 23:25
<laugh> oh , of course. And , but to be honest, I have met some really useful older people. Yeah . And they’ve just looked after their rigs, you know, they’ve eaten, well, they’ve done yoga, they’ve lifted weights. They’ve gone hiking, you know? Yeah . And then the classic is you meet the young person. Yeah . Who just, just wrecks themselves. Yeah . Party’s really hard. Eats bad, you know, doesn’t sleep and you look at him and you’re like , man, you look like you’re 45 and you’re 25. What’s wrong. Yeah . And , and really, I feel like jujitsu is an accelerated version of that. Yes, definitely. Um , you know’re basically bending joints the wrong way.
Speaker 4: 24:06
Yeah . <laugh> I dunno why we like it so much. <laugh>
Speaker 3: 24:10
Uh , you know, I , I think it , you know, for everyone is different, but it taps in on something quite primal. Yes. Uh , relevant to connection and also struggling, you know, that kind of fight to the death element that you just don’t get exposed to.
Speaker 4: 24:26
Right . It’s just not a thing anymore
Speaker 3: 24:27
Doing anything else. And then also community, we meet like minded , crazy people <laugh> we like to do what we do.
Speaker 4: 24:34
Yeah. That was like the best thing. Like first thing I did when I moved up here joined in jujitsu club, found a good one. Nice. So that , yeah .
Speaker 3: 24:41
That’s cool. And look, I wanted to, obviously there are some limits to our ability to , uh , diagnose yes . And prescribe and all that kind of stuff. But I did put it out to the community if they had a couple of questions. And what I thought we would do is we’d probably just discuss it in a more general way. Yeah . So that those people had just some , um , key points for reference as opposed to super specific. This is how you do that.
Speaker 4: 25:10
Exactly . <laugh> everything’s so every injury is so different. I suppose . That’s
Speaker 3: 25:15
Why we have , I really need to get it in front of you, don’t you?
Speaker 4: 25:18
Yeah. You know, you can have an injury to your hamstring, but it could be grade one, two or three, you know, depends on your age and you fit this level and your lifestyle, what you do for work. Everything has such a , a big impact on it . So that’s why, you know, finding someone that understands jujitsu or combat sports, or even just generally, if they understand sports, I think they’re gonna have the capacity to understand. So if you describe it to them yeah. Is important as a good resource to have around you if you do cop injury, but yeah . We’ll do our best.
Speaker 3: 25:49
<laugh> no , that’s cool. Well, I just, so I’d put it out there if you had any general recommendations. Um , because sometimes people just have no idea. Yeah . And you are someone who has very, a very good idea. <laugh> so I have
Speaker 4: 26:03
Speaker 3: 26:04
Help them out . Yes . The first question was actually around a torn tendon in the finger referring to the kind of mallet finger injury.
Speaker 4: 26:12
Speaker 3: 26:13
And it was just around rehab and injury management for something like that, a torn tending in the finger. Do you, can you, can you speak to that or would you give any recommendations as to what they should do?
Speaker 4: 26:27
Go see a hand therapist, number one. Um,
Speaker 3: 26:30
So they need to see a
Speaker 4: 26:32
Specific for that one. Yeah. Uh , general physio could be able to do it, but hands are quite complex. So generally, like there’s a subspecialty of physio. It’s like the hand therapists. So they can do things like splints and whatnot , which is what you would need for a mallet finger. Um, so that’s when the tendon that straightens your finger gets torn so that you can’t like actively straighten the tip of your finger by yourself. So yeah, not good. It happens when you like hyper flex the joint. So it gets bent too far, tendon snaps. So you’ll need to be in a splint full time . It needs to be a custom splint as well for at least six weeks, you know ? Yeah. It’s , it’s not a good thing. You gotta let the tendon sort of heal as best as it can. And from then it’s more of a graded weaning of the splint and some really, you know , gentle, active, straightening, really gentle , um , guided bending of the finger. Um , but yeah, it’s at least a 12 week injury with the splint. Um , but yeah, you definitely need to see someone for that wouldn do that by yourself. <laugh> okay .
Speaker 3: 27:39
Yeah . No , that’s that’s good. I mean, that’s good advice.
Speaker 4: 27:42
You need to yeah . Get a custom splint for that one. Cuz you don’t wanna have a finger that you can’t straighten . It’s not good .
Speaker 3: 27:48
Yeah . Well, no , a guide our gym, Dan he’s got that on his , uh , on his pinky finger. It’s just permanently bent. Yes. I thought he was just always doing something weird when I shake his hand. I’m like that’s is he giving me the weird like insight ?
Speaker 4: 28:01
And then , then yeah ,
Speaker 3: 28:03
He’s got this kind of like , you know , just this permanent thing .
Speaker 4: 28:05
Oh wow . Yeah .
Speaker 3: 28:07
It’s uh , it’s tough.
Speaker 4: 28:08
Yeah. Makes a big difference to quality of life if you can’t use your fingers properly. So it’s definitely once you get onto ASAP and do it properly.
Speaker 3: 28:17
Yes. I’ll I’ll make sure. Yeah . I’m gonna go back and
Speaker 4: 28:20
A bit late for dance <laugh> maybe.
Speaker 3: 28:22
No, no, no I , yeah. I’m gonna go back and recount you know, a bit of this information just to help direct people in the right way because
Speaker 4: 28:30
Stuff like that, the sooner you can get on top of it , um, the more chance you have of the tendon healing.
Speaker 3: 28:38
Yeah . So don’t just leave it.
Speaker 4: 28:40
No, go see someone as soon as you can try and if it’s mouthing or try and keep it straight in the meantime,
Speaker 3: 28:46
Keep it straight. So just get those paddle pop sticks and just take it up
Speaker 4: 28:50
Speaker 3: 28:52
Speaker 4: 28:53
Speaker 3: 28:54
Next thing was , uh , conservative treatment or ACL and meniscus , uh , tear. I know who this is coming from now. I, I , I , I’ve known this person for a little while. They did this injury a while ago and clearly have not had surgery. <laugh>
Speaker 4: 29:11
Okay . That’s fine. Don’t surgery .
Speaker 3: 29:14
From what I understand is a very active man, bit of a BJJ monster has an active job. I don’t believe the tear was complete.
Speaker 4: 29:24
Speaker 3: 29:24
Like it wasn’t like a complete rupture of the ACL. It was , it was a tear, but there was some meniscus damage as well.
Speaker 4: 29:31
Speaker 3: 29:32
But the last time I saw this gentleman, which is , you know, 18 months ago, he , he was moving around. He had this comfort , but he was still quite active,
Speaker 4: 29:41
Felt pretty .
Speaker 3: 29:42
I believe the reason why he’s posted this question is I’m just assuming here, but I just wanna give some context to the question. Yes .
Speaker 4: 29:49
It’s a big question. Otherwise
Speaker 3: 29:50
<laugh> what, what can he do short of surgery? Is it , do you know what I mean? Obviously you don’t know the grade of the tear. You don’t know how you don’t know the type of tear the meniscus, but if somebody was looking to avoid surgery and they could still, you know, kind of squat and move. Yeah . How would you approach that?
Speaker 4: 30:10
Yeah. So I assume we we’d assume here’s what we call like a Copa . So he has, you know, reasonable stability in his knee. It’s not catch in or clicking or locking or anything like that. Um , there’s a lot of non-operative um, NCL at the , um , end mucus at the moment, stage one, I suppose if it’s an acute, you know, fresh injury, you wanna try and get like a quiet knee. So keep it , you know, low swelling, not too sore , um, not too harsh or anything like that. From there you wanna work a lot of single leg strength and stability exercises. So kind of like you guys doing your program, a lot of single leg squats, single leg bridges, single leg deadlifts, et cetera . And you wanna try and get your strength in that knee as good as the strength in the other knee. That includes good form within that as well. Um, cuz a cell is super important obviously for stability when you’re doing your exercises, you wanna make sure that, you know, your knee is not caving in massively when you’re doing your squats and things like that. So sometimes you need to do a lot of hip strength in as well, cuz that’s really important for your knee control. And then I suppose from there, like we’ve got a few of these at our gym as well, like the partial ACLS. Um , and they’re all really strong guys, but I think what they might be lacking is adding in sort of the jump in and the hop in and agility change of direction work, cuz like I said earlier, initi, you know, it’s so dynamic and you can’t control what, you know , your pro’s doing or anything like that. You need to have really good control of your knee and you know, good, proper reception when things are a bit more, you know yeah . Dynamics. So jumping , hopping and things like that. And you can progress those as well. Like you can start just on the ground, you know, jump in double legs . You can progress that to hop in going sideways, jumping off things, unstable surfaces. I think that’s sort the higher end of rehab , um, is probably the part that a lot of people miss, especially
Speaker 3: 32:09
So relevant to that because we, we will be releasing our kind of prehab coach . Yeah . Even though the term prehab is generally , uh , associated with pre-surgery work the way in which we use the term is like preventative rehab. I guess if you could term it that you you’re doing something where you notice you’ve got a , a or a weakness or an insufficiency and we’re basically just trying to bring that limb or that joint back to , uh , a parody or an even level to your unaffected side. Yeah . And, and part of that is eventually adding a degree of dynamic load or, or yeah . A range under load. Yes . And hopping and, and stabilizing is definitely hop .
Speaker 4: 32:56
Speaker 3: 32:56
Yeah . It’s, it’s harder than people think. Yeah . It’s somebody and this is just a side question and digress slightly. Yep . If somebody’s in this kind of situation and it’s not necessarily, they’ve got knee pain and this is very general. Yep . But would you say is safe for somebody if they cannot hop on the spot without getting really acute knee pain, should they not go back to
Speaker 4: 33:21
Jujitsu? Uh <laugh> you putting yourself that extra risk? I suppose I’m not gonna ever say don’t trained, but you know, if that’s
Speaker 3: 33:30
Dare you be one of the first physios to say down almost every physio just goes, don’t train nearly every physio I’ve ever, ever
Speaker 4: 33:40
Talked to . I suppose , like you guys talked about in your podcast the other week, you know, there’s different degrees to what you can train, right? Like Rollings gonna be very different to just doing the beginners class and drills or whatever. So, you know, you have to pick where your level is, but Hoppings a pretty basic thing and you definitely should be able to do that if you want to do something as high level as jujitsu is cuz it’s yeah. Jujitsu is a very complex sport and I think we all appreciate that enough.
Speaker 3: 34:06
Yes. And so as a bit of a litmus test, you know, like as a bit of a barrier to entry, you know? Yeah . I mean I do this with my own clients. Yeah. I will say to them , okay. Let’s just hop up and down on the spot. Yeah . How did that feel? Are you getting stabbing pain in your knee or Yeah , yeah . Look at the quality of their movement and I think, Hmm . They’re not stable there or they , they , you know, it’s not working well.
Speaker 4: 34:33
Speaker 3: 34:34
So if you can’t do that, I , yeah. I’m
Speaker 4: 34:36
Probably shouldn’t be training or at least only doing the , the lowest level of training you can do.
Speaker 3: 34:42
Yeah . Without should be
Speaker 4: 34:44
Wrong . Yeah.
Speaker 3: 34:46
Now when it comes to, I move to the next question, which is uh , soft tissue injuries. <laugh> now that’s, it’s very general.
Speaker 4: 34:54
Speaker 3: 34:54
You know, but if we’re talking, I guess soft tissue is , is muscular, right?
Speaker 4: 34:59
Speaker 3: 35:00
Is it safe to say
Speaker 4: 35:01
In this context, we’ll say yes. Technically it includes attendance and ligaments and everything, but
Speaker 3: 35:06
Inform me here. Why was on the impression that , uh , ligaments are they, are they soft tissue still?
Speaker 4: 35:12
Technically I believe.
Speaker 3: 35:13
Okay. Okay. Cause that makes it pretty broad.
Speaker 4: 35:17
I we’ll say, I assume in this context they mean muscle.
Speaker 3: 35:20
Okay. Let’s, let’s talk about that because the question was soft tissue injuries and uh , kind of returning to training. Yeah . So obviously within the health profession , uh , I’ll get you to step it out because obviously you’re the qualified person <laugh> um , and we always try and adhere to best practice and best information relevant to, you know, what , whatever’s the established science of the time. Yeah . Even though that can change and update over time
Speaker 4: 35:49
A lot .
Speaker 3: 35:50
When, when someone goes through that, that whether they’ve torn ligament, torn, tendon , torn a muscle, whatever it might be.
Speaker 4: 35:59
Speaker 3: 36:00
How would you guide somebody coming back from having a soft tissue injury in terms of how they would approach getting back on the map ?
Speaker 4: 36:08
Yeah . Um, I suppose soft tissue, if we assume it’s like maybe like a grade two injur , it’s probably an average of six weeks just for your general tissue healing times. But before you back training , you’d want at least pain free , full range of motion. So whether you’ve torn your hamstring or, or whatever, you’d wanna be able to, you know, get a very similar range to your other side. Um, and then within there, especially with jujitsu, you would need some pretty reasonable strengths cuz you’re under a high level of load when you train . Um, so yeah, definitely need some, some quality strength in there as well. And then same as you guys talked about the other week, right. You start with your light drilling with partner , you trust and then from there you can progress as you’re feeling good. Um, just be aware that if you decide to return earlier, you’re gonna have a heightened risk of re-injury. So it’s kind of your own.
Speaker 3: 37:04
I just wanna roll. Yeah . Don’t hold me back. I just come on. It’s the only good thing in my life SHA born . I just wanna strangle people,
Speaker 4: 37:12
Julian drills. I don’t know <laugh> yeah, I suppose , yeah. Everyone’s gonna be very different and some people will recover really fast compared to other people depending on age and health and, and whatnot . Um, but definitely at least pick a good partner. If you, when you do return to roll in someone, you know , made us a higher belt or someone that you work with a lot that, you
Speaker 3: 37:32
Know, no , no random heavyweight white belts.
Speaker 4: 37:34
No, <laugh> none of those. Um, so someone that you know is not gonna , you know, stretch you massively and , and potentially re tear and they can, you know, work around it cuz you can roll to different intensities obviously. So definitely start lighter and , and then go from there. That’s what I did with my injury and just picked people I trusted to start with. And then you go from there as you get more confident.
Speaker 3: 37:55
That’s cool. That’s good advice. And so if you are looking at, you know, you were saying six weeks to
Speaker 4: 38:01
Yes . Yeah. Very broad. But
Speaker 3: 38:03
For the initial, like just we , we are being very general here and that’s fine because this is some very general advice, but you’re a , you’re a qualified person you could say as you , as you wish. And really we are ING on the side of caution. We’re not , we’re not encouraging people to do anything wild or crazy after that six weeks, you’re saying you want to , you’ve got the range of motion. You’re trying to get range of motion back pain free . Yep . What three ? Yeah . What is the kind of time on top of that? Where you feel somebody could restore some strength? Would it be another six weeks on top of that or eight weeks or
Speaker 4: 38:31
Little question? I think it depends on the initial severity as well. Like a complete tear is gonna be very different to a light sprain like strain. Right? So , so
Speaker 3: 38:39
Something that doesn’t require surgery.
Speaker 4: 38:41
Yep . But give yourself probably another year , four to six weeks to be like fully back. Um, as a very general guess, depends on body part. It is as well. And how, you know, imperatives it is to , to gypsy. You know, some things are gonna get squished or stretched a bit more when you’re rolling , but I reckon, yeah , probably another six weeks you don’t wanna give yourself a week or two of just drilling lightly with good people and then another week or two of light roles and then another week or two of , of testing yourself out, you wanna just make sure that when you are drilling or rolling or whatever it is that, you know, you feel alright during the session and then you also feel okay the next day,
Speaker 3: 39:19
How you pull up. Right. Yeah .
Speaker 4: 39:20
That’s super important. You might feel completely fine during the session. But if you pull up super stiff, super sore , you’ve got, you know , swelling inflammation in the area that tells you that you did a bit too much. Right. So you need to back it back a little bit and everyone’s gonna be different, but you do have to sort of tow that line, then we’ll have to test it out eventually. Yes. Um , but you know, you wanna do it in the , in the safest way. So you don’t end up back at square one and re-injury yourself and have to do the whole thing again.
Speaker 3: 39:46
Yeah . Nightmare. No
Speaker 4: 39:47
One be better off taking another week or two. Um , instead of,
Speaker 3: 39:50
You know , another three or four months. Yeah ,
Speaker 4: 39:53
Yeah. Not .
Speaker 3: 39:54
And so another question from another person in the crew is dealing with a cranked neck. Now obviously , uh , spines are complex things, but you know, for example, say you’re in class and they’re practicing chokes or drilling guillotines and you know, that sensation where you are like, ah , you don’t the class isn’t even over. You’re like, ah ,
Speaker 4: 40:16
Speaker 3: 40:16
My freaking net
Speaker 4: 40:18
Speaker 3: 40:20
Is there any particular advice now this isn’t, we’re not speaking about bulge discs here and we’re not talking about nerve impingement or anything like that. Just saying someone’s been yanking on your head.
Speaker 4: 40:32
Speaker 3: 40:32
<laugh> and , and you wake up the next day after class, your neck is kind of jacked. Yeah . Is there anything that you would recommend relevant to managing that? Yeah .
Speaker 4: 40:42
Um , definitely heat packs that you , your best friends there . Great . That’s gonna help settle the , the muscles around your neck, which are gonna have, you know, they’re gonna be pretty jacked up. So a heat pack , um, some gentle stretching or using like a spiky ball or a trigger point ball. You can use that all the way through your shoulders as well. Cuz obviously your neck and your shoulds are quite closely related and a lot of the muscles cross over doing some work through there too. And then just really gentle range of motion . Right . Trying to, you know, side bend , falls them back, rotating, just gentle things. You can do your controlled particular rotations if you wanna be fancy about it. But yeah, just be nice to it and try and keep it moving something we say
Speaker 3: 41:23
Keep it moving. Right? Like don’t just do nothing.
Speaker 4: 41:26
No we say at work motion is lotion. Say that a lot. Um, yeah. Keep it moving, keep it nice and warm. And then it settle pretty well. Time is a , a good healer as well.
Speaker 3: 41:36
Okay. That sounds almost like some relationship advisor right there.
Speaker 4: 41:39
<laugh> time heals everything.
Speaker 3: 41:41
Yes . Time heals . Well get yourself a heat pack . <laugh> motion is lotion. Just get moving .
Speaker 4: 41:45
Hot shower . Hot shower works really well. Well actually if you don’t have a heat pack , all right , I’m just trying and keep it moving .
Speaker 3: 41:52
So next question, because this is a classic, a jujitsu staple, Which is elbow hyper extension. Yes . From armbar . Now often you get pops and cracks, but let’s just assume the ligaments are all intact. Nothing is torn, but we know that feeling when the armbars gone to fight you tap, they kept going, whatever it is. Yes . How do you approach dealing with that
Speaker 4: 42:16
Rule? Number one is try and calm it down. So whether do you need to , I search up to you , um , protecting it as well. So taping it if you are , if it’s good enough that you can still train, I would definitely tape it. Um, that’s what I’ve done in the past. So you wanna try and keep it in a slightly flexed position. So you ,
Speaker 3: 42:35
So would you ever recommend a sling or anything like that or not really?
Speaker 4: 42:41
No . You wanna keep it moving? You just don’t wanna push into that full extension. Right . So probably tape it. So just a slight bend. Um , so you’re not further stretching it. And then when you’re not trained , you wanna try and restore your normal range of motion, not pushing it too much, but just trying , you know, bend it , straighten it, get it moving. And then from there, once you’re feeling pretty good, you can start doing your strength work and your stability work,
Speaker 3: 43:07
Trying massage or palpation or any kind of soft tissue treatment assist in that.
Speaker 4: 43:12
Yeah, definitely. Like if you have an injury, quite often, all the muscles around are gonna seizes up. So definitely working through the surrounding muscles is gonna make it feel a lot better, but the actual ligament, we gotta protect it and not fully stretch it for a bit longer. Sure . Um , but yeah, that would definitely make a big difference if you wanna use a heat pack on the muscle as well. That works too . Just sort of same as before progress. It slowly try do some strength and stability works and weight bearing things.
Speaker 3: 43:40
Just tricep kickback.
Speaker 4: 43:43
Yeah . <laugh>
Speaker 3: 43:43
Just get strong.
Speaker 4: 43:44
Yeah. Even things like pushups, right. Having to like, hold your weight table wise . They’re like super important. If you can’t do that, you probably shouldn’t be rolling.
Speaker 3: 43:55
Oh , I recommend people train. But if you can’t do a push up , you can’t train.
Speaker 4: 43:59
Wow . Or at least wait like a high plan or so .
Speaker 3: 44:02
Yeah . I totally understand I’m with you. I’m with you a hundred percent. I’m the same
Speaker 4: 44:06
Speaker 3: 44:06
<laugh> if you can’t, if you can’t do a push up cuz your elbow is so freaking wrecked.
Speaker 4: 44:11
Speaker 3: 44:11
Imagine trying to do that with someone taking your back yeah . And your weight and their weight lands on that arm and it , and it , and it can’t stabilize properly. That’s a nightmare.
Speaker 4: 44:21
I push someone off the mountain or something like that, you know? Yeah . Gotta be able to do these things. So
Speaker 3: 44:26
Gotta do those, those kind of , uh , I guess they’re more demanding and we think we take for granted how hard they are until we’re injured and then we’re like, bloody hell. Can’t do that at
Speaker 4: 44:35
All. Exactly. Yep . <laugh> yeah. Number one is just protect it and just tape it. So it’s not getting further stretched.
Speaker 3: 44:41
Okay. So last but not least, this is just fairly random question. I dunno if this is, I wanna ask the question because I , I I’d like , I’d like to know myself, but this might sound too general. Yeah . Uh , it was treatments for tendonitis. So yeah . For the , for , from what I’ve experienced in terms of the realm of jujitsu , typically it will be more of a , a tennis elbow.
Speaker 4: 45:05
Speaker 3: 45:06
Like from gripping and squeezing too much. So maybe we put it in that context as opposed to seeing or tendonitis
Speaker 4: 45:14
Speaker 3: 45:16
You know , because that’s , that’s a pretty big question.
Speaker 4: 45:19
That’s a huge question.
Speaker 3: 45:21
If , if someone has this kind of, you know, ache through bra radio list , like localized elbow pain. Yeah . And we assume this is, you know , trying to put contacts around something in general.
Speaker 4: 45:33
Speaker 3: 45:33
It comes from someone who’s doing a lot of gripping, a lot of digit to , how do you approach that?
Speaker 4: 45:39
Yeah . To start with, we don’t call it tendon eyes anymore. We call it tendinopathy. Um , Ooh ,
Speaker 3: 45:44
Okay. Update. Yeah .
Speaker 4: 45:45
<laugh> cause artists in bur it’s like an inflammatory thing. And we know now that it’s not, unless it’s a , there is one type that is a reactive tendinopathy, which has some inflammation, but generally tendonopathy is not an inflammatory issue. It’s more of like a failed healing response in the tendon and that’s due to overload. So in Jisu , you know, like you said, gripping too much, you’ve gone from not doing that a lot. And then all of a sudden you’ve started gripping heaps, those muscles, and then the tendon get overloaded too much and then it can’t heal properly. And then the collagen and the tendon goes through some degenerative changes and then that’s when you get your pain and your tendinopathy.
Speaker 3: 46:26
Speaker 4: 46:27
So yeah, it’s more of a load in issue. So number one, you gotta try and get that under control. So as best as you can, we wanna try and avoid the aggravating factors. So in jujitsu it’s gonna be really hard. <laugh> things like full bending or extending over your elbow can be quite aggravating sometimes , um, activities where you’re sort of lifting things with your Palm down can be really hard as well. Wanna try and avoid those as much as possible. You can get some nice like tennis elbow braces. It’s a little band that goes around like she forearm. And that helps to distribute the load across the tendons. Um , so that can be good. So maybe worth using one of those, if you train in and then from there really, we just want some like good load through it. So tendons like isometric exercises. So that’s where we’re kind of like holding against the resistance, but not moving. Um , so wanna start with those lines and then from there, it’s just that progression again, you know, once you’re comfortable doing those without pain, you can progress the weight and then you can start doing some ecentric, which is where you’re lowering,
Speaker 3: 47:36
Could hanging help in that initial phase.
Speaker 4: 47:39
It can do, it’s a very heavy load though. Depends how acute , like how aggravated you are. Right. Some people have to get away with it . Some people can’t even pick up a pen without it hurting.
Speaker 3: 47:48
Right, right. Yeah. So
Speaker 4: 47:49
It depends what you can deal with. Yeah. Um , if it’s not too bad then yeah. Hangings obviously gonna be some really nice asymmetric load, but in that your elbow’s fully straight. So that’s quite hard. Okay . Usually thing like, you know, when your elbows bent at 90 degrees, it’s kind of like the , the nicest position for it. So if it’s pretty sore, you probably wanna start there.
Speaker 3: 48:11
So start easy and yeah . Before
Speaker 4: 48:14
Forwarded , you know , and then yeah . Build up , that’s literally everything that’s, they can be really tricky. Um , so it’s probably another thing to see someone about. Yes . Cause they can linger for ages if you don’t get that load in . Right. And you might not even realize what the thing you are doing to it that keeps sending it off is ,
Speaker 3: 48:34
Um , I think generally it’s jujitsu <laugh>
Speaker 4: 48:37
<laugh> in this context. Yes, definitely. <laugh> yeah. It’s hard. They like, they generally do go right on their own, but they’re quite a long term thing. Like think six to 12 months China situation. Yeah. No one, they’re not a super big thing .
Speaker 3: 48:52
Nobody wants to hear that. But uh , I mean , sorry , but that’s all , that’s the truth. Right? People need,
Speaker 4: 48:59
They are truth and they suck
Speaker 3: 49:02
Otherwise. Yeah. It can retire you . If you have that chronic elbow pain, you can’t grip. You’re not , you’re not gonna be doing well at Jisu .
Speaker 4: 49:09
Yeah. But I tried on those braces, they can help just spread out some of the load doing some, you know, gentle release works for the muscles as well. It’s gonna help.
Speaker 3: 49:16
What I was gonna say is what would be great is, and obviously I don’t wanna get, you completely flooded with , uh , spam questions, but if people are on the sunshine coast or people do JJA too , and maybe they would love to get , uh , BJ woman’s slash physios take on , on things. How do people contact you and find you?
Speaker 4: 49:40
So I work at sports and spinal in sippy downs on the sunshine coast. So they can always , um , inquire there.
Speaker 3: 49:47
Well, what I can do is I can put your details, whether it be an email or a messaging service or something in the show notes. So if people have some questions, maybe they can hit you up.
Speaker 4: 49:58
Yep . Cause the clinic email , um , is sippy downs, sports and spinal physio.com use . So they can always inquire there . If they wanna book in with me, otherwise, if they’re in the Facebook group, they can always post and I’m happy to answer things if you are .
Speaker 3: 50:12
Yeah . Yeah . So for those of you out there listening, if you are not on our Facebook community, it is literally Bulletproof for BJ community. You can search it. It’s a public group. Everybody is welcome.
Speaker 4: 50:24
Yes . <laugh> yeah . I page or anything specific. Um, so that’s probably the best way Facebook,
Speaker 3: 50:31
You are clearly a tough human <laugh> . You’ve done tough things. Uh , you know, it’s very apparent and you are also very knowledgeable. Is there something from your own experience? Not only as a physiotherapist, but as just somebody who likes to get after it and train, is there some very simple advice that you could give to anyone listening to this that could be a white belt, could be a blue belt. There could be a black belt who’s just chronically injured. Yes . Is there anything that you could give to them that you would just personally recommend they do to help get them out of injury and pain mm-hmm <affirmative> and moving towards the health ,
Speaker 4: 51:08
Join a gym. Best thing I ever did personally. And then like, honestly, your program , um , is, is really good. Cause you can definitely do the wrong things in the gym. So I think if you want something simple, your guys program is super important, but yeah, just some general strength work makes a huge difference to so many people. I see that work even, you know, you can’t go wrong getting strong. There’s another little catch phrase . We like you , there you go. <laugh> we’re full of them. Get involved in the gym or if you join it at home, but just doing some basic strength work makes a huge difference. Um , just keep quality of life as well.
Speaker 3: 51:41
So just to introduce it just isn’t it’s not enough.
Speaker 4: 51:43
Not quite enough emotionally. Yes, but <laugh> But physically you need something else as well. Unfortunately get comfortable at the gym or doing it by yourself, but yeah. Get stronger.
Speaker 3: 51:54
Amazing. I think that’s a great note to leave it on. Yeah. Thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate the input and you never know. I think there might have been room for around two, so good . Thank you once again. Yeah, definitely look forward to talking to you in future.
Speaker 4: 52:10
Same likewise .