#73 Judo Vs Wresting: Which discipline is better for improving your BJJ game?
Do you train Judo? How’s your Double leg take down? Which ever style of stand up grappling you prefer, one of these has more carry over than the other. If you are looking to become a really well rounded grappler and want to do some extra training where should you spend your time? Judo is great for making some of the hardest and strongest grapplers around and wrestlers are some of the most athletic movers in sport. JT & Joey weigh up the pros and cons to give you the answer.
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Ladies and gentlemen , welcome to another Bulletproof for BJJ podcast. Hi guys. I’m JT. What’s up fam I’m Joey BIM
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Far in the booth . And today fam , we’re gonna be talking about judo or wrestling. What is better for BJJ? Oh , is this your garage accent? A garage. Yeah , garage <laugh> or GABA fire in the booth. Uh , I wish we had more sound effects, but really guys, you know, this is a funny thing because we’re gonna discuss it more than dictate. They both. Just do more jujitsu . <laugh> they’re hard. I mean more Bulletproof <laugh> it’s very hard. Isn’t it? If you’ve done either you’ll know the standup fight is tough. Mm-hmm <affirmative> I think what we’re trying to get at here is if you can, one day a week, train something other than jujitsu, should you choose to do a judo session or should you go and wrestle? And we can talk pros and cons for both. Yep . So having done both, they are both hard in different ways. Both they’re gonna benefit you both will be beneficial. Yeah . And I suffer more from a fitness perspective with wrestling, just the anaerobic up and down. Sprawl shoot , super athletic. Ah , it’s so tough pushing your lactate threshold, but I have found judo harder on the body from fingers getting thrown a hundred times. Like it makes you yeah . It makes you tough. Yeah. Judo people are hard. Yeah. It makes you good at dealing with pain. Yeah. Whereas wrestling makes you fitter . Yeah, that’s right. But there’s , it’s a different kind of pain, like lactate pain versus I’ve just been thrown on the ground. I’m winded. Now I’ve gotta get back up and do it again. The judo thing from, I with it when I was like eight. Yep . So it really, I don’t know much about it, but formative years. Yeah. Looking at it from the outside, it looks like it’s really hard on the body. Yes. And there’s that suffering and that suffering makes you tough and hard and it makes you of course like grips and, and whatnot and the , and just getting tossed and like no big deal. Like if you look at wrestling, you’re like, man, it is infinitely more dynamic. Yes. Level changes and explosives scrambles, and like a lot of dynamic mobility in there. And in terms of a carryover, this , I feel like there’s gotta be a lot more in the wrestling world. I, I agree with that. And you know, this has kind of been, I guess, echoed or stated. Cause I had this conversation with Lockie Jes many years ago. Cause I was doing both. I was doing wrestling and I was doing judo. You still doing judo? Um , I haven’t done it recently, but I will be back on that. I will be back. I kind of had a bit of a debate cuz I kind of hurt my hand. I , I think the thing for me is not turning it into a competition. Just turning it into learning cuz I wanna feel very confident on my feet. Yeah . So it doesn’t matter who I’m rolling. I , I feel good for the take down . I mean, lucky had said that whether you train GE or no, GE wrestling will give you better overall development. So even if you’re not a competitor and you, you , you know, you, you’re not trying to get a black belt. You’re just trying to be a better grappler. You will have more crossover from training wrestling because you can do moves in wrestling in Nogi as well as in the gee . But can you do the same moves in from judo in Nogi not necessarily, no. Yeah. There’s there’s adaptations there, but gripping the lapel on the sleeve is a very big part of the judo game. Yeah. So if you’re , if you’re doing Nogi more and Nogi is getting more popular. So absolutely that said the rise of wrestling. I think that just the benefits outside of the technique, specific stuff, you know, the athleticism, I mean that’s anyone that’s rolled with a wrestler can , you can speak to they’re so fit and they can , they can go hard. Yep . And I think like that’s desirable for any jujitsu players . Like if you can be fitter and you can go harder for longer. Yeah . Amazing. But just move. Well, yeah . Talk, talk how man. Yeah. So like a , a friend of ours, Paval the Manam pav . He was a coach here at jungle brothers and now he’s up at jungle ball with Chira . He’s coaching up there. He’s from Slovakia. And he was a wrestler since he was six years old. Wow . He’s you know, multiple time over, like if you could classified, he’d be, you know , black belt, many stripes. Yes. You know, in wrestling doesn’t wrestle anymore. Cause it’s given him some injuries and he’s like happy to live without the pain. But um, managed to draw him into a little, to a roll bit of a grapple. Yeah. When I was up there last , uh , maybe it was three weeks ago now and I was like, you wanna do a round puff ? And he was like, he was like, yeah, go on like, you know, big smile. And, and it was , we’re doing it in some , you know , just a Nogi role . Obviously I couldn’t take him down. Yes. Right . You would assume. And to P’s credit, he’s done a bit of Nogi JTS as well. And he’s done an mate . No , he’s got, he’s got submissions. Yeah. Like he’s, he’s very well rounded . He’s capable. He should be a blue belt. He’s very capable. Yeah. Um , but I, you know, so like I , I , you know, he , I , I , it was , it was playful. I let him kind of enter and throw me a couple times, but he threw me like, yes Firemens and then like double leg . And you know, and , and what I noticed was that he would in jujitsu, you guys can speak to this. You guys would know you shoot once and then you reset and then, okay, what are we gonna try? Next? Pav would go first shot, second shot, third, fourth . Like , and so each time it’s slightly weakening your defenses, it’s off balancing you . He’s hitting you again. He’s hitting you again. And then the fourth time he gets it. Yeah. And I’m like, I like just the , the ability to be able to do that. Yeah. Yeah . So I pulled guard on him and you know, we played around there for a little bit and I , I had him in butterfly guard and I just, he was so good at keeping his hips back. Yep . Because that’s his whole thing. He’s just like, I’m not gonna let you get in under my hips. Yeah . I couldn’t do anything. And he couldn’t pass my guard, but you know, pretty great . Like he , he couldn’t get, you know , he , he was up against a black belt. Didn’t get subbed. True. Didn’t get swept. Right. Yeah. So it’s like his wrestling base was extremely adequate. Amazing for dealing with me. Yes. You know, and , and obviously like, we’re just talking a bit, a bit of fun here, but that’s wrestling, right? It’s like, I’m keeping my hips back and I’m not letting you in. And I’m keeping my arms tight. And if you look at jujitsu, it’s like, well, if you can keep your hips outta the way, you’re not getting in a leg entanglement, you’re keeping pressure with the upper body. And if you can keep your arms tight, you’re not gonna get there’s no triangles. There’s , you know? Yeah . By , so it was like, there’s so much good stuff in that. Definitely. And look, you know , even like wrestling with target back in the day, shout out target OV who’s actually gone back to his be was Stan bit of a loss for us. Essentially . You trained with him back in Melbourne. I did train with him in Melbourne. I did privates with him. I wrestled with him at his own like place where he taught. And man, he’s just such a humble, you know, low key kind of guy one time as a demonstration, cuz he would never wrestle me fully. And he’s a , a kinda lightweight 72 kilo guy, but exceptionally strong can just do a back flip , just super easy. He said, okay, go to turtle. He’s like now try and get up. And he was just like swift me side to side. Like just not allowing me to stand. Wow. At no point couldn’t couldn’t couldn’t get outta turtle. I couldn’t stand. I couldn’t at any point find base to stand up. He was just like pulling my ankle, pushing my shoulder side to side. Just he wasn’t trying to take my back. He was just toying with me . Like you, you can’t stand up. Can you? And I was just like, he was demoing for someone else, but he was trying to give an example of how you can really control somebody without having to grind them. Right. Just by manipulating their limbs and off balance and push shove, ah , bra it just, and it was it’s demoralizing. But I guess what I wanted to say to this is I feel like, at least from my experience of judo, judo has become a little bit archaic because in judo you cannot grab the legs. Now the , you know, at a critical point, the international judo Federation , uh , Japan said, man, these Russians and DEIS are they’re killing us because there was a time when there was like two Russian brothers who absolutely smoking the , um , because they , they were very high level wrestlers, but maybe not good enough to go to the Olympics for Russia, put GE on those boys. They were just double legging and single legging, all of them. Right. And so the , the Federation at a critical point went not no more, no leg attacks, no leg grabs and ah , amazing. Now Japans winning all the championships again . And this was the same with TaeKwonDo. Yeah. You know, it’s, they , they changed the rules. But I , I think if we look at what we , so would you just say , they’re like, you get one point for a takedown. Yeah. Already get two points. It is. Yeah. It’s two . It’s like not much <laugh> no, no, they don’t not enough to make it worth it. They don’t wanna reward it too much. Cuz also you can just pull guard. Yeah. But if we’re just thinking about you are out there and you’re thinking about how do I get better at this or physically, how can I get better? Like people saying, oh , how do I get fitter? I just say wrestle. Like if you wanna push your cardio, just do stand up rounds. It’s crazy. What it’ll do for you? I , I think when I look at judo, even though I love judo, I think it’s amazing. Judo feels more of the same. There is a lot of shrimping running in circles. There’s a lot, it’s a little bit more old school . There is value in that. But if you could mix up your training to be a better grappler, I’m leaning towards wrestling. Yeah. That’s what yeah . Me too , for sure benefit in both. But if you had to pick one resting class is gonna give you a lot of benefit. Definitely just wanted to give a quick shout out . We had a guy come through on the Instagram. Okay . Fellow named Steve. Can I just share this real quick please do. Steve said awesome. And guys, if you wanna send us a message, we’ve replied to all messages. All of them . I mean, look, give it 12 months. We’ll probably be too famous. We’ll have someone else do it for getting in , in the meantime. Yeah. They said, Hey guys just wanted to thank you for the program. Only twice a week with great results. He’s trained twice a week. Nice. I recently went on vacation and someone took a picture of me by the pool and I was dreading looking at it. 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