#54 Kevin Jousset: Rising MMA Phenom, Judo Blackbelt & Savage Grappler
If you don’t know who Kevin Jousset is, you soon will! This man has made his way up the ranks of the Australian MMA scene leaving opponents wrecked in his wake. JT discusses many interesting topics with his former team mate:
Training with Israel Adensanya at City Kickboxing
Being in the French National Team for Judo
Being a grappler crossing over to MMA
Training with The B-Team in Texas
Being Tough is good but being smart is better
If you love BJJ and you are also a MMA fan Kevin gives awesome insights into what it takes to make it to the top and be the next UFC contender.
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Better listen. Very careful.
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A good martial artist does not become tense, but ready,
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Essentially at this point, the fight is over.
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So you pretty much flow with the goal
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Who is worthy to be trusted with the secret to limit this power.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another Bulletproof for BJ J podcast. I am JT and I’m here with the up and coming ever legendary. Kevin Joza . He is a judo black belt. Uh, he’s very high level grappler. I’m not even sure what jujitsu belt he’s up to now. It probably doesn’t matter. Uh , he’s now , uh , you know, or has been for some years now, a MMA superstar and is training at city kickboxing in New Zealand. He’s traveling around the world. He’s taking names, taking people down, and now he’s over in the United States training at the B team causing trouble there terrorizing people with his foot sweeps and dominant top game. And , uh , we have the great pleasure to have him on the show today. Uh , welcome Kevin.
Speaker 8: 1:16
Hey , JT has going good to hear from you again. It’s been a while ,
Speaker 7: 1:20
Man, too long, too long. I remember , uh , when I saw you and we were just saying before, it’s like two years now. More.
Speaker 8: 1:28
Yeah, I think over two years now, like , uh , obviously the world has been crazy the past couple of years and I moved overseas and you’ve been doing your stuff in Sydney as well. If I remember, right. So yeah. Been a long time, but hopefully you will get to catch up with again soon. That’s be good .
Speaker 7: 1:44
Yeah, definitely. Well, I think maybe later this year we might be able to connect overseas, but for everybody out there, because obviously everybody doesn’t know the Savage, you are like, I know you are, and for anybody who’s ever trained with Kevin, you understand what a , a tough human he is. Uh , can you give, what I’d like you to do is start up from the start man , because even though it might feel very normal for you, you started in, in judo. And can you give us a little bit of background of how the kind of grappling journey and not only your martial arts , uh , and your experience in France, but then what brought you to Australia and, and how we met?
Speaker 8: 2:22
All right . So I’s a long story , but , uh , let’s get started. So I studied, as you said , uh , with judo, I studied when I was a very young kid, so I was , uh , three or four years old. Judo is such a big sport , uh , in France , obviously that’s one of the biggest sports . So most kids do it when they’re very young, but most people also stop when nine or 10 or something. And I started doing all this stuff, but I really liked it from a very young age. And , um , let’s say that helped me a lot to canalize my energy and stuff like that. So , so why I got started and , uh, yeah, I did it since I was very young and then I started competing , um , quite high level in France and , uh , internationally as well. So yeah, in , uh , in France we have , uh , what we call , uh , judo school. So such a bit like , um , it’s a voicing school in America, like , uh , the same kind of , uh , of stuff . So you like train twice a day, like morning and evening and go to school during the day. So I’ve done that since I was, I don’t know , like 14, 15. Wow. And I’ve done that for a few years, married to the national team and , um , yeah, eventually after a few years competing with the national, you , I , I go to it , you know , with , and , um , when you do something too much, since a very young age, you can lose passion after a while . And since that’s what happened to me, cause I just don’t need too much, as I said . So after a while , I was just like, yeah, I don’t know if I wanna do it again. If I keep going, keep competing at the I , and the problem is when you don’t really want to, to do it anymore , because you don’t enjoy doing it . That’s very hard to, to get the best results obviously. So I was like, yeah, I’m not sure. I think I’m gonna stop for a while . So I was young . I was like 21 . And , um , I was like, yeah , I think I need to stop. So I , I kind of stopped not stopped totally, but like I was not treating as much. And , um, I , I moved overseas. Um, I, I met someone back then . I met a chick who was studying in , in UK. So I just joined her there and I used it to like , learn , learn English. Cause I couldn’t speak any English back then.
Speaker 7: 4:45
Speaker 8: 4:45
So that was , that was pretty cool. So that was uh , January, 2015 .
Speaker 7: 4:51
Speaker 8: 4:52
Yeah. Long time ago now.
Speaker 7: 4:54
And so from that experience, like , uh, is that what put you on the path to travel? Like what , what , because I know you were in Australia, so through your journey and your learning English, you’re in the UK, what brought you to Australia?
Speaker 8: 5:10
Well, let’s say that was the beginning. So before, before UK , uh , I traveled a bit because of ju so when I was competing in Europe and stuff like that, but I was not very, I didn’t really have the time to visit because actually go to compete times the weekend and then you just come back. So you don’t really get the chance to visit you, just take a flight compete and come back home. So yeah , that’s not the same thing. But then when I went to UK, I learned an language and I got to meet new people and I learned a new culture and uh , so I really loved it . And , um , at the same time when there , uh , what happened is , um , I’ve done , um , strain conditioning . Um , it’s , that’s not a , that’s like , um ,
Speaker 7: 5:53
Like a certificate or a course.
Speaker 8: 5:55
Yeah, yeah. Kinda certificate . Yeah. That’s a couple of years , but yeah, like let’s say certificate, of course. I don’t know how you call it. But anyway, I , I got to, to meet , uh , this guy who was a , who is still a very good friend of mine Emrick and , uh , he was , um , strength commission coach in , um , MMA MMA factory, which was called before it was called MMA factory. Okay . It was , it was a strong condition in Koji and um, he told me, oh man, like , you should start doing MMA. And like guys were good in judo, actually good in MMA. And I’m like, yeah, I’m not sure. Like, I’ll think about it. So like he just put that in my mind and I was like, yeah, we’ll see what happens. And at the same time, I , I like speed up with the girl I was with. And , uh , I decided to go to aura because aura was just a country who always attracted me. Don’t ask me why I’m not too sure.
Speaker 7: 6:48
Speaker 8: 6:49
Is that just , um , I don’t know for you guys who live in aura , but I’m not like for, for us, for, that’s often a destination who is very, because I just like opposite side of the world. And , uh , we see that as a country, which is always sunny, good people and, and stuff like that. So I was like, yeah, you know what, let’s do it. I dunno what to do. Let’s travel for a bit. And , and we see what happens. So yes , that’s how I pretty much say to like travel quite a lot.
Speaker 7: 7:17
Nice. When did you arrive in Australia?
Speaker 8: 7:21
So I left UK in , uh , August, 2016 . So I left in , I stayed in UK for like , um , 18 months and uh , I traveled in Asia for a few months on the way , cause so I was actually the first time I left Europe. Nice. So yeah, I , uh , I’ve been a few months in Malaysia, Singapore , and like a couple of countries there. And then I arrived in Australia in November, 2016.
Speaker 7: 7:48
Speaker 8: 7:50
November, 2016. I’ve never done before. And uh , I’ve never strike before. Did any JSU , anything just judo and uh, before leaving . So I talked to my mate Emrick and I was like, right , man, like I know you have all good contacts in MMA in France . Can you try to get me some good MMA gyms in Aho ? I’m landing in senior right now, but wherever it is in Australia , I just flies there . I’m like go train . So it was like, yeah , fair enough. Give , give me a few days. So I just landed in senior . He stay there for like five, six days. Then he calls me back and uh , he , he gives me like three or four different , um , genes who were like quite good apparently for the main Australia . And uh , one of them was uh , called,
Speaker 7: 8:35
Oh look . Yeah .
Speaker 8: 8:36
And , uh , and uh , I knew that was in Melbourne and I felt like while I was in Sydney , I felt like very nice things about Melbourne. I was like, well, that’s a good chance for me to just go there. If I like it or stay there . If I don’t like it, I just go to another city, like, doesn’t matter. So the next day book of flights go to Melbourne and uh , very next morning I was at the gym and uh, yeah. Then that’s how he studied and , and yeah, we are now .
Speaker 7: 9:08
And so look , cuz I, I have a very clear memory and you can, you know, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but I I’m sure I’m not. Um , we , we had like at one stage with both St Kilda , which at that time was south a and then , uh , city , there was pro grappling kind of pro grappling sessions. So Daniel Kelly was there. Gustavo was there, like all the MMA guys were there, but also the Jitt guys were there as well. Yeah . And I think one of the first times I met you was at one of those sessions, but the standout memory for me in terms of us knowing each other was actually your blue belt grading. So anyway, I , I remember Tiago was really keen for somebody to tap you because you were like pretty much like just kicking everyone’s and you’re a white belt and he’s like, man, this guy’s not getting bashed enough. You know? Like he , somebody has to tap him and he said, JT, go there. I want you to tap Kevin. And I was like, I’ll try. I mean, I , I don’t know , man. I tried , I remember I had you in an and I had it on like a bit of an off angle and I was like looking at you and you were like, not tapping. You were like, no way I’m tapping. And it was a bit of an off angle . And I was like, man, I think your elbow is gonna pop in my head. And you were just looking at me like like, nah , I’m not. And then your elbow just went pop. And I was like, oh
Speaker 8: 10:36
Speaker 7: 10:38
Yeah. And then you were like, what? And I just kind of let go. And I was like, man, your elbow just popped. And you were like, no, no, no, don’t stop. Keep going. Like I didn’t tap . And I was like, bro , I just popped your elbow. You were like, no, no, no, keep going. I didn’t tap . I’m not tapping. Keep going. And I was like, this guy so tough. And I was like, all right , well, oh man , hell credit to you. I mean, I don’t even think I was able to sweep you, man. I just remember you having this exceptional base . And uh, and that was before, you know, you were actually developing jujitsu skills and then along the line as the years go past , you know, not necessarily that long . How, because how long were you training at absolute before? And, and obviously we can get into your first MMA fight and stuff like that, but just timeline it for me , uh , from when you started absolute to the time that you left, what was that period of time?
Speaker 8: 11:33
So just the three years. So I arrived , uh , yeah, November 29 , uh , 2016 and I left early 20, 20, January, 2020. So just to those two years.
Speaker 7: 11:46
And so you were a purple belt at that time?
Speaker 8: 11:49
Uh , yeah. Yeah. I left as a purple belt. I left as a purple belt , so like I kept the white belt for a few months and then Chao just told me now you can’t have a white ,
Speaker 7: 11:56
No , you’re gonna have a blue bag .
Speaker 8: 11:57
He gave me a blueberry pretty fast. And uh , then yeah, I think I got a purple a couple of years later and now it’s been two years already . I think I got a purple something that I don’t know , but I don’t really do GE anyway , like very focused on , uh , MMA of course. So like for me it’s a bit like , I wouldn’t say I don’t mind , like I still got off mind to get your black belt eventually, but more to say , like I judo black belt and black belt and at , um , that’s um , a good thing to just tick off my list, but
Speaker 7: 12:29
Yeah , I’m the same. I want , I want that judo black belt man.
Speaker 8: 12:32
Yeah. Yeah. Well , and say , you know that , you know what I’m talking about, but like, so the proper goal I have is like reaching my goals in competitions in fights. Of course.
Speaker 7: 12:41
Yeah . But so let’s, let’s rewind. Let’s let’s talk about your first MMA fight. Tell us about that. Cuz you’re a grappler. How much time did you have between you are like, right. I’m gonna do MMA. How much striking and MMA did you have under your belt before your first MMA flight ? Tell us about that.
Speaker 8: 12:59
Okay . So the first MMA fight, I think that was in February, 2018. If I remember right. Which was just of the year of the training striking.
Speaker 7: 13:12
Speaker 8: 13:13
And I sucked, but What I was bad, but that’s kid , like I knew I don’t care like I’m competitor and I know how to fight. And for me, like that’s the main thing. And I remember I for this guy , uh , who had like seven fights or something like that, because that was actually hard to fight amateur much fights knowing, and I was black . Yes . It was very , very hard to fight. Actually wanted to fight like long time before that,
Speaker 7: 13:40
That you just couldn’t get a fight, couldn’t
Speaker 8: 13:42
Find anyone . So they got me this guy who had many fights and um , so what happens ? That was funny. I would actually send the video and that , uh , so this guy, we just has a fights and um , he just threw a couple of kick and I obviously don’t check cause I have no clue how to check a kick . Yeah. And , and then I just run on him and push him on the board and eventually just like do a big , uh , UCI matter and, and get him there , trap his arm , trap his arm between my legs and like , uh , yeah. In like in side control .
Speaker 7: 14:16
Speaker 8: 14:17
Like za Andro is I’m beating my legs and just like, Like 50 punches because the rev stopped and he has a face like,
Speaker 7: 14:28
Oh , poor guy, little . Did he know? Cause
Speaker 8: 14:30
That was the first fight I got. Yeah . It is . Don’t need to know how to strike. Apparently
Speaker 7: 14:35
Just grounded sound . Yeah . Strikers fall apart. When you put ’em on their back. There’s no footwork when you’re lying on your back, right ?
Speaker 8: 14:42
Oh yeah. None of the sun . I mean like all my amateur five , actually all my MMA fight . I didn’t really get the opportunity to throw one punch , uh , standing . Right. Because all of them , I just took them done like almost immediately. Mm . So I gonna just beat them on the ground. And so , uh , yeah, like when I was fighting a imagine it was good, but not good because I didn’t really get the experience that was after. But then I got it as a pro letter on . So that was so good .
Speaker 7: 15:14
And you did a fair bit of damage, a pro too. The , the thing I always associate with your fights is always blood. You look like, you look like BJ Penn . I can’t remember when BJ Penn had like blood on his face and his gloves. And he is like licking his gloves . Like I always think like it’s gen it’s, generally’s not your blood
Speaker 8: 15:32
Of the time , but only once , uh , I got cut quite bad over the eye and I had a fist stitches , but
Speaker 7: 15:38
How day would make me bleed my own blood. Yeah .
Speaker 8: 15:41
That did not really , but I , I Don really care , but yeah. Most of them , most of the guys I thought , uh , they’ve been bleeding though.
Speaker 7: 15:48
Yeah. I remember I was having a chat with Simon Carson . We were talking , uh , cuz of a period of time there I was working with Simon. Yeah . And we’re talking about you , uh , you came up in conversation and Simon was like, yeah. I went to the kickboxing. This is like when absolute had opened Collingwood . Okay. And it was like a kickboxing session and you know, I think people don’t probably don’t appreciate that . Simon Carson is actually quite a good boxer. Like he’s, he’s got a good hands . He actually was like a great amateur boxer. Never quite got his shine and actually just all round he’s quite handy. You know, he plays it , he plays it low key . You know, he has the whole dad Bo uh , I don’t really, he doesn’t look like an athlete, but that guy he’s a ,
Speaker 8: 16:28
He’s a , he’s , he’s a beast. He knows his stuff . Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 7: 16:31
He’s strong. And so he said to me, yeah, we were talking about different people when you came up and he was like, yeah, man, I punch Kevin in the face quite hard. And he was like, yeah, Yeah . Like you were like, come on and you kept coming forward. And I was like, oh my God, this guy wants it . And he was like, you know, was really impressed cuz he’s like, man, I kicked him in the leg. He didn’t care. He just kept coming forward. And he said he wasn’t teeing off on you. But he said he was landing shots, but you were just like, you were loving it .
Speaker 8: 17:05
Yeah . Well let’s say that for you when , um , when you get studied and you are like still , um , bad in some of the sport extra back then when I was , um , still not very good at it, Lucki , there was tough. So that saved me for sure. But let’s say I learn along the ways and being tough is good, but being smart is better.
Speaker 7: 17:25
Speaker 8: 17:25
And , uh , right now, even if I know I can take punches and I can take kicks and all the stuff you don’t want to , whether or not, because I wanna fight as long as, and I wanna make damage and don’t take too many of them . Yes . And um, I think , um , that’s been , um , great for me to move to , uh , CT boxing . Talk about , we talk about it afterwards , but because like , I’ve just got much better with my defense now, so I get hit much less and uh , I hate much more. Yeah . Um , so that’s great. Like, I mean , um , at least I don’t take too much damage and I know if I have to be tough in a fight, I can be tough. That’s not a problem . I know I can be tough. Not the , if I don’t have to show it that’s even better.
Speaker 7: 18:12
Yeah. For sure. For sure. And that’s
Speaker 8: 18:14
The problem is yeah, I like it and that’s , that can be tricky.
Speaker 7: 18:18
That’s bad . Yeah . When you , when you don’t mind, you know that little bit of taste of blood in your mouth, you’re like, oh, so now, oh , okay. Yeah . I feel you . I feel you I’m , I’m kind of the same. I’m not saying no , I’ve got , I haven’t got your chin, but I can take hits to the head, but that’s not a good strategy, you know, that’s not, that’s not how you should play the game.
Speaker 8: 18:37
Yeah. Yeah. If we wanna stay in there for a long time, we should be smart.
Speaker 7: 18:40
Mm let’s. Shift gears. And let’s talk about that because you had obviously had some pro fights and , and done some, you know, some great performance and you had become friends with, cause I actually remember Izzy’s I was actually, there Izzy’s last fight on , um , hex. He , um , had , had kicked , knocked out a dude from Hobart.
Speaker 8: 19:04
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: 19:05
Remember . And uh , I was actually in the blue corner and like, you know, my , my guy , um, was in that was Lance actually Lance tier . He was , uh , blue corner that night, but Izzy was in the red corner and I just, it was random because you know, the way out for hex is on the , through the red corner side. Right? Yeah. Yeah . So I was just standing in the red corner. I watched from backstage, see Izzy chopped this guy. And it was like, oh. And then he kept , came back and he was so pumped and he had the belt and he was shaking everyone’s hand and he shook my hand to he’s like , yeah, I was like, good for you, man. Like , I , I was just , I was just there, you know, but that was the last time , uh , he was on hex before he went to the USC. But that
Speaker 8: 19:45
Was, yeah . I think that was his last fight before he got signed. Wasn’t it ?
Speaker 7: 19:48
Yeah, it was. Yeah. And so I know that you had some great fights here in Australia before you went to city cube boxing, but let’s just shift that gear and say, okay, you had become friends with Izzy or with , uh , Eugene or how , tell us about how that came about.
Speaker 8: 20:08
Okay . Uh , how did that start? I went to all the first time in , uh , January, 2019 because I was gonna get ready for my first profiles on HES , uh , a month later. So I just contacted them and um , I wanted to just get some trucking because I knew they were like the best trucking I knew my grew uping was already. Okay. And I just wanted to like get into it and get used to struck with good guys. So I got there, I stayed there for like , uh , three weeks approximately, and I just felt so welcome. Like I literally my very well with , with a team here, like the guys are very welcoming to me. Uh , the trainers like , um, were great to me. Um, so yeah, I already enjoyed it. And uh , then I went back to , um , to Melbourne , but my fight has been pass on for like a month or two data . So I contacted Eugene again and I was like , cannot come back. And he said , yeah, for sure. So I went back to the gym again, flew back to , um , to Oakland and stay for an extra few weeks. And , um , hug had , um , a guy who is a bro . So one of my men training panel in the New Zealand bro Wei , who was fighting on the same car in Melbourne. So I ask Eugene if he was okay to call me . So he was actually in my corner for my first profile. Oh, nice. So that’s uh , yes, that’s actually cool. So it was like , yeah , for sure . But like , I’ll be there so I can corner you 100% . So yeah, Wednesday , the first , uh , couple of times . So January and March, 2019, and I just had a great vibe with the team. Like everyone was welcomed. That was like , um , like a family, you know, like everyone is looking after each other. Um , everyone was very welcoming and happy . I could help them growing and they could obviously help me heaps in shocking. So like everyone was happy and that was great. Cool . So yeah, then I haven’t been back for like a little while the capital of in Australia and um , and then I knew , um , them to keep getting better and to keep , um , getting to the next step in my career. I had to, to go to a gym where I had the best guys in the world, not in to be in MMA because I was ING to compete. Yes. And , uh , so I contacted ju Eugene again, and I was like, man, like, I’m thinking about moving over and what do you think? And uh, and he was like, yeah, of course you’re Muslim . Welcome to come. And, and we look after you and blah, blah , blah . So I got to meet him when , um , when , uh , Israel was, this was fighting for the belt against Twitter crew in Melbourne. Yes . That was in October, 2019 . So I was actually fighting the night before ah , when I , I got cut . Yeah . And , uh , and the next day , uh , Israel was fighting . So I went the fight and at night , um, invited me to the post five party or whatever it was in Melbourne. So I went there and I got to talk to you . I was like, yeah, what do you think? And he was like, yeah, ya , welcome to come. So I was like, okay , well, gimme like a few months I save a bit of money and , and then I’d be there. So yeah, like two month later I just flew to new . And , uh , luckily I went at this time because then it’s working that’s before the lockdown she COVID happened . Yeah. And was safe. And , uh , we were all good. And uh , unfortunately Melbourne got hit so bad. So like that sucks so bad for all the guys in Victoria. And I got lucky and I left at the right arm . Mm . So, yeah. And for my career , obviously that was great. Like , and I stayed training was a gym fulltime and uh , yeah.
Speaker 7: 23:55
So, I mean, from the outside, obviously city kickboxing, I think that year or the year after got awarded like best a gym in the world, because I mean, obviously , uh , a lot of people don’t necessarily know, but , uh, You know, obviously there’s a lot of tough guys there at city kickboxing, you know? Uh , yeah . Dan Dan is , is an ultra tough guy. And then there’s guys who people probably haven’t heard of like only recently people started to know about Kay Carra right . But he’s already been a super tough guy, B even before the most recent , uh , knockout of Cody . Right. But it’s just interesting that you’ve got this gym full of really tough killers like yourself. You haven’t, I I’m really glad we got this interview before you like super famous and you’re , you know, you know, obviously I , I , you know, wan is gonna be getting you on and chatting to you and stuff. When you start
Speaker 8: 24:51
Putting you in
Speaker 7: 24:52
Putting bodies away in the USC , but I can say, hi , I got that , that interview before he was famous. You are one of the guys that makes that gym a tough gym. And a lot of people don’t know, like I’ve seen you in the background of the training vis you know, when they did the UFC , you know , week videos. And there was a
Speaker 8: 25:09
That’s um , yeah , that’s crazy. Like , because obviously everyone knows Israel and Kai and Dan and Brad and, and all those UC guys, but they don’t show us and have so many other guys who are almost as good and who will get to UC eventually 100% without a do , but they’re just not famous yet. But they get there like 100%, we’re a group of like , I don’t know, 30 fighters. And so many of them are so good. Like, that’s not , uh , you just walk to the gym and you’re gonna kick you and us . That’s not how it works. Literally, everyone is hard. You have some very good people. And , uh , in , and for me , I’m lucky we have like seven or eight weight weights .
Speaker 7: 25:52
Speaker 8: 25:52
And I’m not talking, I’m talking like pro like in the best guys. And , and most of us could be in UC right now.
Speaker 7: 26:00
Speaker 8: 26:01
And same thing for the meter weights . Like there is a few meter , weight are very good and same thing for zero weight is so, yeah . And interesting this next few years , I think many guys from CK gonna get signed and gonna shock the world 100% .
Speaker 7: 26:14
Yeah. Well, I’m looking forward to when it’s you brother, because , uh , I know what a , a Savage human you are and how dedicated you are. And , uh , I just want to , uh , use this little segue here. I want to talk a little bit more about city kickboxing, but I guess what some people know is a little bit about how hard the training is at , at uh CKB. But what I know too is like, I remember one time I was coming into absolute , uh , and this was before I think, like a lunchtime class and you were on the Airine , you know, you’re a , you and you were doing intervals, like hard intervals. And I was like, what’s that sound? And it’s just you breathing and pumping away. And I wanted to talk just quickly about strength and conditioning, cuz this is actually a very big part of what you do. And I can’t even believe that you make the weight you make, because you’re actually quite a , a big frame, human, you know, like you’re six, two .
Speaker 8: 27:13
Yeah. I’m 6, 6, 2 , but I still make world weight
Speaker 7: 27:16
Dude. Like you’re , I mean , you’re , you’re a nightmare at middleweight, but you’re, you’re under 77 . It’s like Christ. This guy is freaking huge.
Speaker 8: 27:26
My kids I’ve always made weight. I’ve never missed it. And I don’t think I’ve ever missed it and make
Speaker 7: 27:30
Sure I , no , you’re a , you’re a discipline human, but I , I think to speak to everybody who’s listening right now, because for most part, people are grapplers or jujitsu people. How important is it for you as a, not only coming from your grappling background, but now being a professional MMA fighter, how important is S C for
Speaker 8: 27:51
You, man? Just like you have to do it either . You’re lucky or you don’t just like, for me, just like at least 70% of the sport in reason if you’re not fit or if you just like say you can be as strong as someone as technical as someone, how long is that ? Is that gonna be for, you know what I mean? Like in a ways you can be, especially as a highest level , everyone is strong. Everyone is , um , is technical and stuff like that. But as often the guy who is a less fit, who loses because that just how it is when you start getting in terrors , you start doing mistakes and you usually wouldn’t do when you’re a third and then you can get knocked out . And that’s the same thing for MMA or whatevers , your martials being fit and being strong is the main thing. And , uh , yeah, like , um , so
Speaker 7: 28:39
How , how often a week for you, like how often are you working on your, your strength training or, or your, or conditioning or how do you break it up?
Speaker 8: 28:47
Like proper condition, certain conditioning sessions . Three times a week.
Speaker 7: 28:52
Speaker 8: 28:53
Speaker 7: 28:54
Well as all your other training.
Speaker 8: 28:56
Yeah, yeah, of course, of course. But then it depends. If I’m in camp, out of camp, I’m gonna do different things. And like right now I’m not fighting any time soon. So I’m doing more like strength . Uh , but when I’d be closer to a fight, I’d be very focused on, on my casual interval and stuff like that. And seeing still doing some strengths here and there, but not as much, but yeah. Usually around between two to four,
Speaker 7: 29:22
Two to four week and at , uh , CKB they have the , uh , legendary spider workouts. Talk , give me a little bit of a cause obviously it’s been touched on by other people.
Speaker 8: 29:35
Speaker 7: 29:36
Can you talk us through your experience of doing the , the spider workouts?
Speaker 8: 29:40
Well , that sucks. That’s a very hard one. That’s a very hard one. That’s why to give an example. That’s pretty much. Um , so for me, who fight , um , three times five, so three rounds of five minutes , um , for Israel, for example, who fights five rounds of five minutes? Because if I saw be so is gonna do two , I’m gonna do 15 minutes because we just do the time of the fights. Yes. And , uh, so we try to replicate , uh , intensity of the fight, which is obviously very hard, but we try to do pretty much , um , pre fatigue on , um , on some movements, let’s say pre fatigue on the lower body with some like squad jump and , uh , uh , lunges and stuff like that. And then like some double leg of the knees and different dead downs and all this kind of stuff. And we pretty much try to push a pace as hard as possible and going , yeah , as hard as you can. And we have new opponents every 20 to 30 seconds. So you have free point coming at you all the time , nonstop for 15 minutes and you just need to survive. Right. Which means that sucks so bad. We do it once a day , once a week. But the day you fight and you are exhausted, you just remember why you’ve done it. And you know, you are less exhausted than the guy in front of you, right. 1% . And , uh , to be honest, like on my last fight , I don’t know if you were in Melbourne and you’ve seen it, but my last fight,
Speaker 7: 31:07
I saw it online. I wasn’t in Melbourne, but I did see it online.
Speaker 8: 31:10
Yeah. Well , my , my last fight that’s when all three runs and at the end of the second run , I was tired because intensity was very high.
Speaker 7: 31:16
It was a tough fight, man . I mean, I felt you were up, like , it looked like he were landing back in him up, but he wasn’t, he’s a tough guy
Speaker 8: 31:24
Pushing. Yeah. He was pushing and , uh , he was a strong guy and I knew it. I knew I had to keep pushing the pace and uh , I knew I had to make him give up eventually and what happens and um , and yeah, I , I know , and without those trainings, I would not have won the far way I did. You know what I mean? I would’ve maybe gave up first, but eventually did I did . And just because I was fit and I was hit just because I’ve done all those hard workouts. So yeah.
Speaker 7: 31:51
And tell us about the man. Tell us about that beach workout running up and down the dunes and all that. Tell us about that, man.
Speaker 8: 31:58
Yeah. Yeah. Well , we , we don’t do it that often, but yeah , that just like kind of sprint spins up and down the , the dun on the beach , uh , you know, where it is. Like , that’s just awful. Cause you feel you you’ve been running for like 10 seconds, but you went up only like two minutes because every step you do , you just go backwards, sliding
Speaker 7: 32:18
Speaker 8: 32:19
Yeah . That’s it that’s steep as well.
Speaker 7: 32:21
Yeah. It looks so brutal. Man looks so
Speaker 8: 32:24
Brutal , but we don’t do it that often, but yeah , that’s a hard one, man. I’m glad we don’t do it too often.
Speaker 7: 32:32
And so you would say like, really you feel that obviously you have your skills, you work your skills, but your conditioning and doing your strength work is like vital. Like you couldn’t
Speaker 8: 32:44
1% . And even, I would say not only for being filled , but also for injuries prevention. I do, I do feel as when I don’t lift, I feel my body gonna get injured much. Yes . When I do , uh , when I do lift, I feel much better. My shoes feel strong. My coat is strong. My back, my lower back is like good and strong. My knees are , are great. You know what I mean? I feel when I stop lifting sense , a good injury time . So like , uh , lifting at least I times a week, I , I feel like you have to do it 100% .
Speaker 7: 33:23
Yeah. And, and I guess that’s a big part of combat sports, whether it’s MMA or grappling or striking , uh, injury is what really derails people, right. Someone could be looking really good. And then just before a fight, they’re gonna pull out because of injury
Speaker 8: 33:38
100% . Yeah. And I think that’s also because some people are not resting well enough having the right nutrition, all those stuff. But if you add all of them , like they all matters obviously. But yeah. Like , uh , lifting is a , is a big deal.
Speaker 7: 33:51
And so talk like, let’s just, let’s go to the side a little bit and talk about recovery because you are very disciplined with your diet , uh , and you know, you do all the right things. And when you, when you are training that hard for MMA, talk to us a little bit about what you do to recover. Like, do you guys do recovery sessions or what’s something that you love to do you just personally to get, right?
Speaker 8: 34:16
Yeah. Well, the first things , uh , if I have a fight coming up, I’m gonna be very focused on it and more than if I have no fight, but even if I have no fight, I still try to look after it anyway. Uh , because I’m not the kind of guy who doesn’t train as much . I don’t have a fight. I just love training anyway. So like right now I have no fight, but I’m still training at least twice a day. So that’s the same thing, but yeah, for recovery, one of the main thing for me is , uh , sleep, you know , a way . And , um , I know sometimes we go home and uh , we just wanna spend some time on watching TV or on our phone or doing like all those kind of Fu those things. And we just waste so much down . And what I try to do, I usually try to go to bed on the same time every night . And I know that suck . Cause sometimes I just wanna like do some stuff or be on my phone or like plan some of the stuff I wanted to do. I didn’t have time to do during the day, but then I’m gonna pay off on the next morning when I need to wake up to train and I’m not gonna be efficient or worse. I could be injured because I didn’t rest well enough. So the main thing for me is I try to go to bed early every night. Doesn’t matter the day I try to, I try to go to bed early and that’s a big deal. Uh , so I try to , for most peoples it’s gonna sound a lot, but I try to have nine hours sleep every night.
Speaker 7: 35:29
Amazing. That’s great. I mean, that’s the , that’s the dream Is to get the , the big sleep for the yeah, for sure. Performance, right?
Speaker 8: 35:37
Yeah. 100% . So I try to go to bed early enough so I can my nano sleep and I , not the kind of guy who naps at the , like , even if I train hard , I don’t feel like napping at the afternoon. Yep . So I really need to have like a proper night of sleep so I can see if I don’t nap. I know I’ll still be fine.
Speaker 7: 35:53
So what time are you going to bed? And what time are you getting up?
Speaker 8: 35:56
Usually 9 45 to 10:00 PM. I’m in beds and seven I’m I’m up. Yep . So, yeah, but which is perfect, right ? Like , um , I can’t complain, I’m lucky enough and I can wake up at seven and I don’t need to wake up earlier than that . I know some people need to wake up earlier so that we make them going to earlier as well , which is also hard, but yeah, for me, that works . Um , um , yeah, I just , um , think that’s , um , bad thing to do for me. So that’s the first thing I do for recovery that’s for sure.
Speaker 7: 36:30
And is there any other things that you , uh , have learnt from the guys at city kickboxing or that you’ve learnt throughout your career from judo , um , and martial arts in general, like that, you know, works for you to help combat muscle soreness or help you , um, just recover your nervous system to get fresh? Like, is there anything other than sleep that you do?
Speaker 8: 36:54
Uh, well lately I’ve been , uh , doing so a couple of times a , uh , two to two to three times a week. I don’t stay in there for so long, like 20 to 30 minutes.
Speaker 7: 37:04
Is that all 20 to 30 minutes ? I mean , yeah . Most people can’t handle like 10 minutes.
Speaker 8: 37:09
I mean, for me , that’s not long in ways than I stay much longer than that when I can wait. So
Speaker 7: 37:13
For the count , well , the white cuts totally different. Yeah , yeah . Yeah .
Speaker 8: 37:15
But like, for me, 20 to 30 minutes, especially I can’t drink and stuff . That’s like easy for me. Yeah . I mean, easy , you know what I mean? Compared to whatever of
Speaker 7: 37:23
Course , when you’re dehydrating, look , I’ve cut weight before I know what you’re doing really when you’re in there and you’re already dehydrated. It’s terrible.
Speaker 8: 37:30
Yeah. Yeah. One of the percent . So I usually show to like 20 to 30 minutes , uh , two to three times a week. And just so I’ve been doing that just past , uh , few months and uh , that take me a out as well. And otherwise , uh , stretching is not the kind of stuff I do a lot. And um, I should most likely do it a bit more, but I know I suck at it, but I ,
Speaker 7: 37:52
Yeah , you’re , you’re a bit more , you’re more the strong, stiff guy, not the
Speaker 8: 37:55
Supervisor . Yeah . Yeah . Right . I know for sure. But at the same time , the son of my strength, I don’t know if I should change that , But no, otherwise , um , I feel nutrition is such a big deal in ways I used to , um , eat whatever. And um , and I don’t feel as good. Like you feel happy when you eat like burger and, and pizza and all those bad food , but the next day you’re gonna feel good.
Speaker 7: 38:23
Yeah. The body,
Speaker 8: 38:24
Yeah. 100% . So like for me, nutrition is a very big deal as well. Yes. Uh , so I really try to eat good as often as I can. Not anyone I have fights now, but like, even though I know I have no fights that I’m eating very, very good.
Speaker 7: 38:42
Mm . Well , I mean, you , you train really hard. Right. So I think that’s, I think that’s something that a lot of people don’t understand that , uh , even when a professional fighter or a professional grappler, isn’t , uh , hasn’t got a competition coming up still every day . You step on the mat, that’s like a competition, right? Like, especially if you train in a serious gym, everyone there is trying to kill each other
Speaker 8: 39:05
A hundred percent .
Speaker 7: 39:06
So you gotta , you gotta bring the good energy, right?
Speaker 8: 39:09
Yes . That’s for sure . Like some guys that just eat whatever, which means they good the gym and they feel like, because they’ve been eating as they haven’t been arrested or whatever. Yeah . And as they don’t get any better in the gym or who they getting injured . Yeah. But I do believe in training , you need to get better every day . Right. So you need to take it as, as you can. Yeah . In all aspects
Speaker 7: 39:31
And you’re looking at them like, I’m gonna eat you up. Boy. I see Kevin’s eating people’s souls. Cuz they eating burgers. It’s like, nah , you up. I’m a get
Speaker 8: 39:41
No , no, but then don’t get me wrong. I , I seen , um , I see enjoy myself once in a while. Like
Speaker 7: 39:46
I I’ve seen your cheat meals. I’ve seen your post fight cheat meals.
Speaker 8: 39:48
Yeah. Like when I have cheat meals , I have like poop once , but I used to have cheat meals way too way too often. Uh , no, like when I have treatments , I’m not gonna have , um , as bad as what it used to be and I’m not gonna have it as often as what I used to have it.
Speaker 7: 40:05
Speaker 8: 40:05
You know what I mean? So yeah .
Speaker 7: 40:07
Yeah, for sure. And I mean, do you supplement your diet at all? Or like do you have, do you take any vitamins or
Speaker 8: 40:13
No , I take protein whe when I , uh , when I , uh , beat in the morning training and the , and the learn training, cuz there’s not much time between, so I usually like do like a protein shake with like banana and a scoop of protein away and stuff like that, but that’s pretty much it. And then I, I actually like right now, like we talk with dust , but I mean Austin and the weather is quite good here. So like I all the vitamins from being outside and just like literally light down outside and get as much vitamins of the soon as I can. Nice eating fresh fruit and breathing fresh air.
Speaker 7: 40:48
Yes. Nice. That’s super nice.
Speaker 8: 40:51
Oh , and I don’t really cream much as always , so yeah.
Speaker 7: 40:54
Well let’s talk about that because you did , uh , you went home, you uh , left New Zealand to visit your family. Right. You hadn’t been home for a long time and then because of COVID and everything, the way it went down, you couldn’t get back to New Zealand. Is that right?
Speaker 8: 41:09
Yeah. Yeah. Well , um, I’m sure you’ve seen it on a social major , like , uh , New Zealand has been , um , one of the hardest country to go back to after , after you leave the country because of the COVID restrictions. So what happened is I left, I left in August, 2021 and I was supposed to get back in September because I have a work visa , New Zealand I’m teaching at a center at CKB . So I was super , super able to come back, but the restrictions have been tighter and tighter . So now I just can’t come back right now. I need to wait for a bit longer. So I stayed in Europe for longer than what I planned, which was , uh , okay. Because I got to see my family longer. So that’s a good , and I got to chance to train with , um , other people and learn from other people, which is always a good thing. Then when I first I was gonna have to stay for longer. I talked to Eugene, so my coach from New Zealand and I told him, what do you think about me going to , um , Austin in , uh , Texas to train , uh , with , um , with Craig? Uh , so I’ve known Craig since , uh , Melbourne obviously. And uh , I knew he had his , uh , own gym here in , uh , Austin. So I was like, yeah , that , that could be good for me to just be focused on my , uh , grappling for a few months again, because obviously New Zealand , like that’s more like extracting . I mean, we do still a lot of grappling, but yeah. I just want to be focused on proper grappling and be able to train the best guys in the world there . And uh , usually me . Yeah, like definitely gopher is that that’s a good idea. So , um , I talked to Craig and he told me I was welcome . So yeah. I just booked my tickets and came here.
Speaker 7: 42:52
All right . So now you are in the United States , you are training at the B team, which is definitely the it’s the hot spot , right? Everybody’s getting there. There’s a bunch of Aussies there , uh , training, talk to us about, I mean, you coming back being the , the Savage MMA guy you are and having the grappling background you have, and now mixing it up with these guys who are formally Henzel Gracie , which are now B team . How is your experience being there in training,
Speaker 8: 43:22
Man? It’s been great. Uh , like literally the guys here are great. Everyone is very nice. Um ,
Speaker 7: 43:27
That for Craig,
Speaker 8: 43:30
Obviously I’m sure that everyone knows it now . Like yeah . Is nice . Um , like I can’t complain. I have nothing bad to say about them . Like literally I’ve been very welcome as well. And uh , I wait like the training, like they have morning lunch and evening training. So like every day we don’t waste any time like doing like we do warmups or whatever, we just get straight into the take . So we don’t waste any time . And we get to learn from some very high level guys and everyone teaches different things, but they all make sense and they all go together. Like , man, technically I feel I just got so much better and it’s been only six weeks and I’m here now. Awesome. And um , I just feel I improved already so much. And for me that’s great because cause like I’m just working on a proper emissions game and proper escapes and stuff like that without strikes. And I still keep it in my mind though . Like when I roll , I’m still like, okay , in this position, if the dude doesn’t move, I just elbow his face anyway,
Speaker 7: 44:29
Speaker 8: 44:30
Course. But you know what I mean? I’m , I’m like still okay. But is that still good for me to know like how to pass God , how to do those stuff when the guy gimme trouble. So how to stand up when the guy is just like heavy on me , like all the stuff .
Speaker 7: 44:45
And so there’s a , there’s a bit of a wrestling focus, right? Like, I mean, Isaac Zach’s there and he just won brown belt worlds and obviously Nikki rod and I , you know, Craig had talked about never pulling guard again. I think that was just to get attention, but there’s like a ,
Speaker 8: 45:02
I thought it would be surprised Craig , uh , Craig racing is good.
Speaker 7: 45:05
He’s getting better. Yeah.
Speaker 8: 45:07
He’s much better than what he used to be that for sure.
Speaker 7: 45:09
And so there’s a fair bit of red focus as well as like leg locks and everything.
Speaker 8: 45:14
Yeah, for sure. Oh yeah. We don’t do any leg locks . We do a lot of stuff. Like a lot of racing , a lot of , uh , back attack, back control. Uh , we do a bit of everything to be honest , like any kind of positions, but yeah, in racings are good. Like, and this big mats , uh , we can start around standing all the time. Some guys , some guys don’t but you get to rest through some very good guys and um, yeah, everyone is good. Like everyone is , is good for sure.
Speaker 7: 45:39
Amazing. And so how, how are you finding like it Austin , everyone’s moving to Austin obviously. Cuz they don’t wanna pay tax . So uh, no income tax it’s it’s a great place to live. If you’re , uh , you know, a bit of a jujitsu kind of guy, you wanna keep all your money from your seminars, don’t pay the government. But I mean how , how is it actually, because a lot of very well to do people have moved to Austin and people talk it up. How are you finding it,
Speaker 8: 46:05
Man? I like it. I really like it like here as I just feel like you are free to do whatever, you know what I mean? No one bothers you because you wanna to , you see things or see things as long as you don’t turn out people, nobody gonna know you ever .
Speaker 7: 46:17
So how many guns do you have?
Speaker 8: 46:18
Well, right now I don’t have any, especially I know many of them who do I actually haven’t been shooting yet, but that something I I’m planning to do maybe next weekend actually. Okay. But yeah, really have to go shooting. I’ve never done it yet. So exactly of you a goods fan ,
Speaker 7: 46:34
Man , I already feel like you , you have enough killer instinct. I could just see you like just on like top like , like knee ride or hip smash staring down at someone like, man, I’d be grounded pound you right now. And then the next
Speaker 8: 46:47
Speaker 7: 46:47
You’re reaching for your revolver. You’re like, man, I would just shoot you right here.
Speaker 8: 46:53
Know me to it .
Speaker 7: 46:54
You know mate , I , I , I know the killer instinct . I mean you’re a gentleman . I I’ve gotta say I’ve always respected. How , uh , how well you conduct yourself, like how respectful you are, but I’m also like, there’s not many people in this world. I’m scared of Kevin, but I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t really wanna fight you. I mean, I I’ll roll with you because I don’t know ill I’ll I’ll see if I can pull outta cheeky leg lock . If , if someone was like, you gotta fight Kevin. I was like, no, like there’s no, I just wouldn’t do it. I ,
Speaker 8: 47:20
I , that’s not in , in tuning . I’m a push I’m very D friends than a fight. Like , um , I , uh , I’m not afraid of , uh , putting myself in a bad situations and training to be able to don’t get there when I’m competing. You know what I mean? Like , uh , I used to be very, I mean, let’s say much more closeminded in ways than I didn’t want to get any bad positions or whatever. And now I’m more like I’m actually gonna force myself to get some bad positions in training. So I teach if I get there eventually in a fight , I would know how to get that . Yeah . And uh , I think that’s just a smart tool to train because being humility and training, I couldn’t care less like that . Just the way it is . I get humility. There’s a time I many people lose the
Speaker 7: 48:02
Time . I dunno .
Speaker 8: 48:04
Remember when I fight ,
Speaker 7: 48:05
I , I don’t think , I don’t think people actually understand how hard it is to actually get the submission from you, Kevin, but uh , that’s okay . That’s fine. Um , we’ll pretend it happens, man. Look, what I’d like to do is I’d just like to get, because there’s so many people out there right now who do Jisu , who are looking at the world of submission grappling, you know, they’re looking at flow grappling, they’re looking at places like the B team they’re looking at. Attos , they’re looking at all these different famous gyms and they’re thinking, I do know , gee , I’d love to do MMA. What would be your advice for a grappler who wants to cross over to MMA? Like, is there anything like two or three things that you feel is really important you have to do as a grappler coming to, wanting to step into that world of MMA? What would be your advice to them when they’re starting off?
Speaker 8: 48:56
Okay . First one gonna be, you have to learn to don’t God , but most seriously , I would say, as long as , uh , you keep open minds mindset, you know , ways , uh, when you’re gonna start standing, you have to understand that you know nothing and you have to stay open and being able to make yourself as a beginner again. And uh , being able to learn as much as you can, even if you’re guru say still some guys, you’re gonna struggle to take that . And eventually you’re gonna have to struggle them before you can get them to go eventually. So if you don’t learn as much tracking as you can, you’re gonna get smashed. So you have to stay open and , uh , trying to learn as much as you can in , uh , instructing. And eventually if your strength is a ground and that’s great, you you’d get there eventually, but yeah, what’s uh , what kind of advice I could give I’m ? Sure .
Speaker 7: 49:54
Well , even for yourself, like, was there anything that like any key moments where you’re like, whoa , okay, that’s important. Like a coach said something to you or a training partner did something and it made you like, it , it , it ha it gave you like a really big learning. Is there anything you could share like that?
Speaker 8: 50:13
I would say it’s a difference you need to, you need to spend so much time in defense to take as less damage as possible
Speaker 7: 50:19
And minimize damage.
Speaker 8: 50:21
Yeah, I think , uh , I think that’s one of the big thing. Like, as we say before, like some guys are tough and they can just take it, which is good, but you want to do that when you really have to, not when you are actually learning because that’s a bad thing to do. And even when you are aspiring, no , not , um , when aspir try to be smart, inspiring, like, not just trying to go as hard as you can and try actually trying to , um , try stuff and, and actually learn like sparring as a learning and not as a , just smashing someone . Yeah . Yeah. And , uh , yeah, just using training as a learning experience instead of competition, I , as a main thing, walking on the defense and , uh , not rushing into, with a grappling exchange because that’s how you’re gonna get clipped and how you gotta stop MMA versus ,
Speaker 7: 51:13
Right. Right. And I guess that’s the difference in MMA. When you take a loss, it hurts your ability to progress, but in grappling you could lose for years. But if you can come through and win a world title, you’re a world champion. It doesn’t matter. No, one’s like, oh, this guy is like 20 and 60, you know? Like , but sure . When you hit MMA, like your record’s important. Right. So that’s, I think that’s probably the hardest thing that your ability to market yourself as a fighter, people look at your record. Even if you fought a bunch of guys who sucked, if you are six and oh , you’ve got way more opportunity in fighting than if you are like five and five or whatever, for sure.
Speaker 8: 51:54
Which is quite crazy when you think about it, because most people, as you say , like , um , say S and say, oh, this guy is six and oh, he is good. Or this guy is like six and six and he’s not good, but so that who six and six could be 10 times better, but that just depend . And , uh , yeah. So the Ricos to be honest, like when, you know the sports , like you do a , I do windows and the Ricos don’t always mean anything, but unfortunately that’s , um , business more than a sport . That’s a highest level , so ,
Speaker 7: 52:24
Speaker 8: 52:25
So you know what I mean? Like, you kind of need to look after your code sometimes, but
Speaker 7: 52:30
So when are we gonna see you back at city kickboxing? When are we gonna see you in the UFC? Because that’s that ? I think that would be, that would be, you know, exciting. Cuz then I can talk so much. I’d be like , I knew this guy, man. We used to roll. I used to get the better of this guy back in the day when he didn’t really know jujitsu and then just see you knocking people out. I can claim that, but uh , I mean, look, tell me man, like , cuz that would be the such a joy for me to see you realize that dream and get in there and just smash Usman . That would be amazing if he’s still in the game. He may , he may have retired at that time.
Speaker 8: 53:06
Okay . So I’m here in , uh , ocean for two weeks more. Yep . Uh , I’m living , um, on , uh , February 6th. I’m joining actually the boys from CKB in Houston for UFC 2 71 .
Speaker 7: 53:19
Speaker 8: 53:20
So yeah, actually didn’t tell you before, but yeah, I joined them there gonna spend a fight with , with him . It’s gonna be good. We have obviously , um , Israel sign fighting for the turtle . O boy . I’m sorry guys.
Speaker 7: 53:36
Hey look, Matt , look, it’s one of those things I love Rob Whitaker , right? Like I , I respect the hell outta Rob. He’s one of the toughest humans alive. Right. And also like Izzy , I’m a big fan. So it’s a conflicting thing, you know? Like I like ’em both. I feel like,
Speaker 8: 53:51
Yeah . Actually likes them both, but OB obviously easy is my
Speaker 7: 53:54
No Izzy is your boy. Whatever I understand. I’m definitely
Speaker 8: 53:57
Talking . I know how good is . And uh , I have not that and is gonna win this fight once again. So yeah, we have , uh , we have Izzy . We have , uh , Carlos Berg who is doing his , uh , second FC fight and we have a blood German who is doing his , uh ,
Speaker 7: 54:10
Ah , blood down and your boy.
Speaker 8: 54:12
Yeah . Blood my boy too. So I’m Dave looking for to, to see both , I mean all of them , so yes , that’s gonna be good. Gonna spend fight quiz . And uh , then afterwards after the fights, we are going to Vegas. So we’ll be there for like , uh , I’m not too sure how long to be honest. Uh , but most likely, I don’t know , a month or something. So we see how it goes. And then it’s gonna depends of a few things. Hopefully you’ll get GFC next. That would be ideal . Uh , I most likely need to fight for the it’s an title , uh , next, which , uh , I would love to, but that depends on the borders restrictions because if the borders were open, I would definitely want to fight as sub uh , for this , uh , what do title and win it and uh , and yeah, make it clear to everyone. Cause the thing is rhinos, the borders are close are just kind of fly back either to New Zealand or to which makes things a bit harder. Yes. So we’ll see how the borders restrictions evolves. And um , hopefully this is gonna open in within a month or two and that would be great if it opens a bit later and um , hopefully I will get , uh , you shut before or we’ll see what that happens.
Speaker 7: 55:30
No , man , that would be so exciting
Speaker 8: 55:32
Bro , at be as you soon .
Speaker 7: 55:34
Yeah , that would be so awesome, man. Like , uh , I just feel like you are such a , a humble guy. I want to acknowledge you man, for being the hardest working guy in the room. Uh , such a nice guy, but also one of the scariest of all time . So can’t wait to see you . If you thing in the USC man, and look, where can people find you, man? Like if people want to understand or follow your journey to being a USC champion, what’s the best way for them to follow you.
Speaker 8: 56:02
They can follow me on , um , Instagram, which is at so J O U S a C T K E V I N . And uh, yeah. Or Facebook something , same name.
Speaker 7: 56:16
Okay . No, that’s that’s awesome, man. And like I said before, it , it’s amazing to see someone who’s taking your journey as a high level grappler successfully taking it to the world of MMA and now being in the same room with the best people in the world and helping them as much as they’re helping you. And I think it’s a mistake for people to think that you’re only a grappler because I, I , I seen you putting them straight rights on dudes and uh , it’s a , it’s a , it’s
Speaker 8: 56:45
A scary say we know soon they will know.
Speaker 7: 56:49
All right , my friend, I think we’ll, we’ll leave it there. Thank you so much for your time, man . Really appreciate it and nothing but the best of your future, man. We’re excited to see where you take it.
Speaker 8: 56:58
Thank you for having me. I appreciate it, brother. Thank
Speaker 7: 57:01
You. Very pleasure. Take care, Kevin. Thank you .