#41 The Art Of Coaching: How being a better Communicator improves your BJJ
Does your coach speak your language? Do you find it hard to explain techniques? BJJ is a massive collection of information and being able to break it down is key. Whether you have trained for 6 months or 6 years we all play a part in helping others by sharing and explaining positions and techniques. If you really want to improve your own game the best thing you can do is get better at coaching others;
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Coaches are communicators
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We have all had great teachers and terrible teachers. JT & Joey breakdown exactly what you can do to not only help your team by being a better communicator but how this helps your own BJJ game accelerate.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another Bulletproof for BJJ podcast. And today we talk about better coaching for better learning in BJJ. Now we’ve all had different experiences of coaches, whether it’s in the gym or at the BJ J academy. And sometimes you get a great coach. You get a coach who’s really knowledgeable and really interested in sharing with you. And then you get other coaches who just, they show the technique and that’s it. It’s like, there you go. Good luck to you. And they’re not necessarily that invested . And every coach has different teaching style and some of them have many teaching styles. They can reach more people. What we’re gonna talk about today is really how, as you become better at sharing your partners become better and it has this great knock on effect to everyone else in the academy, whether you’re sharing a , a jujitsu technique or you’re sharing a , a mobility drill, that ability for you to be able to take a piece of information that you’ve understood and then make it. So someone else understands it is really powerful. And that the better we get at this, the more powerful it amplifies. We’re gonna break this down in a few different ways. Why are we doing this? Well, it’s interesting because it did come up recently , uh , shout out our good friend, Sean Tang , up bra and , uh , representing. And he had said, Hey, could you give us a bit of an insight because you guys are always coaching and talk about coaching, how you approach coaching , uh , Bulletproof to your people, but then also how you might approach teaching jujitsu because it’s a complex set of is coming from that coaching background. And so I was like, okay, that’s worth digging into, because I know that with myself, when I have to teach a class, I have to reexamine this idea so I can make it accessible to other people. And by virtue of doing it , I get a bit better too . I understand it a bit better. Yeah. And I think something that we’ve identified with the audio that we have for Bulletproof is that there are people who, whether they’re academy owners or they’re just practitioners, but they wanna share what they’re learning through Bulletproof with their teammates. Yeah. You bet. So we’ve got like gym owners who are asking us, Hey, do you mind if we run a class, you know, using the mobility staff, or can I share this with my students? And we are like a hundred percent go for it. There’s a concern there that they might do a job of possibly, which is , you know, like there has to be standards in coaching. But the biggest thing for us is like, yeah, it’s important to share this information. And one of the things that jujitsu is really good at doing is bringing people together into a training space. I ether mats , where sharing is really a strong part of it. It is someone might ask you, oh , how , how did you sweep me in that role just then ? Or what , what is it that you always do to catch that armbar ? That’s when I say to them, I’m not telling you, bro, <laugh> stop me getting it . Mate. Book a private lesson. That’s right. Actually, I’d go to Bulletproof of BJ . <laugh> that’s that’s the premium subscription. No, it’s, it’s true because why I find it quite funny because some people are good doers, great athletes, but they’re not necessarily good coaches. It is its own skill. I’ve been that person in jujitsu for a long time. I never could articulate how I did things. I just did the, yeah , I was , I was like a native English speaker. The natural. Yeah. I just got good . I in Australia, you know , but what made you so good at jujitsu, Joe <laugh> yeah. I don’t know the primal need to jog someone. Yeah. Yeah. My , my DNA, I guess <laugh> say for us, we come from this background of teaching, right? As personal trainers. Sure. The coaching exercise and human movement has evolved a lot. It’s developed a lot because it’s a very competitive market. Firstly, it is. So I know , I guess that’s the main thing because it is so competitive to be good at it to , to be able to have a good gym , to be able to be a good coach, you have to look into it and you have to educate yourself on how to be a better educator, true room. You learn to communicate, you learn to understand different teaching styles, that kind of thing. You look at jujitsu and it hasn’t gone through that yet. No, because really it’s just like, whoever’s got the colored belt can open the gym. That’s true. In a sense. That’s cool. It’s just earlier in the timeline, but so I think kind of what we’re getting at is like for anyone listening, you guys are at different stages of the game. Even if you’re a white belt, you will be a teacher at times. If someone asks you how you did that, or if someone asks you for advice <laugh> or if someone copies the warmup drill, you’re doing, yeah , you are act , you are influencing their journey and that is you being a teacher. So if we can arm you with some skills and I get, and we can extrapolate that out to if you know some it , and you wanna share it with your teammates , like, Hey guys, look at these mad stretches I learned from Bulletproof. There’s a certain way to go about that. That we believe is most effective. Definitely. I , I agree with you there. And you know, I think both of us have had that experience of having been influenced and helped by great coaches. And then also some pretty average ones, ones. <laugh> you see ’em and they’re , it’s good to know because you can learn from those people and go, man , that is not how you teach someone something. And I remember when I started jujitsu, basically my coach was like, if you don’t learn the way I teach you are done . And I knew that was wrong. I went to uni to study education and they talked about learning styles and everyone learns differently. And sometimes you gotta communicate differently with people, for them to get it. You can’t just be like, there’s only one way that that’s just not true. So we were just discussing this before we jumped on the podcast was this idea of being able to take somebody from a very beginner level through to like a more advanced level. And it’s not dramatically different. Other than when someone first starts, there is a lot of things they don’t know when someone gets more advanced, they know a fair bit, but there may still be some chunks missing. And it’s your ability to fill that gap for them to take the next step. When we are approach teaching somebody a skill, it’s good to be able to have like an easy, medium and hard option, like, because oftentimes, and I’ve done this myself where I’ve told myself, oh , this is a great sequence. I’m gonna show it to the guys today. I’m gonna blow their minds with how good this jujitsu is. And I come in like, all right , guys, we’re gonna do this and that. And they just stare at me blankly. And I’m like, no, no, no, trust me. I’ll show you. You’ll get it. And then the kind of drill begins. It’s like, no, one’s getting it. Ah , jumped ahead. And you need to be able to step back and, and give someone something easier to do. So for example, we take a skill that almost no one is good at juggling. If you can’t row and catch a ball with one hand, just to yourself, just throw a ball in the air and catch it. You are not juggling. You would , that is not happening. You know, just some basic gross motor skills. The same is true of jujitsu and lifting. If somebody can’t do a basic body, weight , squat, they shouldn’t be doing, you know, a barbell snatch or a barbell clean , same thing. Like if we all seen it, right, it’s kind of funny. You always see that real new white belt. Like they’re not even a white belt. They’re just their first day at the academy. And you’re like, oh , we’re gonna do some hip escapees. Everyone knows how to do hip escapees . Except for that guy. <laugh> he looked like a dead fish. He’s like , man , man , on the ground, it’s like, it’s kind of funny. You feel bad, you feel bad. You’re like, ah , maybe I wish that guy wasn’t here making ruins it , making us look bad. But I , the coach is like doing the hip escape . They’re training too, coach like, oh man, just like yelling at them from a , just try to uh , yeah. That’s good. Timmy. Good job mate . As you were. Yeah . Okay. Forward rolls guys onward. Yeah . But before we go there though. Okay. Why don’t we tell ’em why it’s important that somebody should learn like why for some white belt who’s listening to this. They’re like, well , why do I need to learn how to coach some? Cuz I’m just a student I’m busy learning. Yeah. And I think something that we’ve identified and I think I’m sure everyone listening could resonate is that when you have to teach something or you look at something from the perspective of having to teach it, you actually learn it my much more effectively for yourself. Yes. I can say this from experience. Think I got to brown belt in jujitsu before I ever coached a class really , uh , like on any regular sort of basis. And it was only then that I started to look at, oh , that sequence that I do. How do I do that? And I , and actually having to break it down so that I could come to a class and be like, all right , guys, I’m gonna teach you this sequence. Just that process in your head allows you to learn something to such a deeper degree now . Yeah. And reorganize the information because once you’ve processed it for yourself and you’ve gone, right, okay. I put the arm here, put my foot here. Why do I do that? Oh , that’s right. Stops. ’em from getting their guard back. That means I keep their arms . So don’t fall off. I still get it. And so you get this internal process. So then when you actually have to put it into words and share it with other people, you can give them a reason cuz someone else is just looking at you. Like you’re speaking a foreign language. Tell me why. And if you haven’t really got that answer for them, you’re just like, oh just, you know, cuz I say, so that’s not flying with anybody. I mean, people might not question you, but in their head they’re thinking, oh , does this guy really know what he’s talking about? So if you can say guys, it’s really important. Keep this grip, put your weight this way. And then they feel the difference. And often what I will do is I’ll let someone do something wrong. I’ll I’ll let them do it incorrectly. Then give them feedback to do it correctly and say, see how that feels different. Now this is why. Yeah . And actually I think allowing people, not that you want people, it’s not like to make fun of them or anything like that. It’s important that people feel what it’s like kinesthetically to do something incorrectly and they feel like, oh yeah, it doesn’t feel right now. Do it this way. Does that feel better? Yeah. I guess like, and the more you can get someone to practice a skill correctly and for them to know the difference, that’s really important. Yeah . On that greatest sort of thing about why it’s important for you to pass stuff on, you’re gonna be doing it at some point. Eventually you’re actually in a very powerful position when someone asks you like, oh Hey, how did you do that? Or, or what is it that you keep catching me with there? If you articulate that incorrectly, then you’ve just given that person bad information. Correct. And you’ve done it like, and witingly, you’re like, I’m not the teacher I’m just here to get better. But you’ve given that person bad information, you have influenced their learning journey and that, you know, and particularly like for any colored belt, like a blue purple , depending on what academy is, you’re like, you could be a God to someone who’s just walked in that’s. Right. Right. And so it’s important to kind of, I think respect that relationship, be like, I’ve got a bit of an obligation here to give you my best. Yeah. You know, maybe we talk about what some of those principles are about actually coaching something effectively from beginners to advanced and, and effective communication. Something that I think is important. There is saying jujitsu, something that you get a lot is , uh , there’s two questions. It’ll either be , uh , why we doing this technique? Like say , Hey guys, I’m gonna show you this X card sweep tonight. And then we’re gonna come up and you know , come on top and someone could ask, why are we doing this? Or someone could say, I prefer to do it another way. Sure . And you as a coach, feel like you need to be able to explain why this way is better or why the , all of the people in your class need to know it. Now that’s a very hard question to answer. Yeah, you got 15 people in the class. Maybe it’s not relevant to every single individual that’s right. But sometimes the perspective there can be greater instead of this specific technique, the perspective can be something like you guys are coordinated with your legs and I’m just trying to teach you some. That’s gonna use your legs better. Sure. You know, I just want you to learn some better dexterity in the legs. I didn’t give a about what technique we’re using. Yeah. It’s about you using your legs more right now. Yes. And that’s like, oh, that’s, that’s contextual. That makes sense to everyone. I think that how having the ability to like pull away from the individual technique and go, well , this is actually why we’re doing it. I think that’s a really important piece. Yeah. I agree. I think that, you know, there could be an underlying principle there and you know, I , I’ve been pretty lucky in both the strength, conditioning realm and also the jujitsu world to have sat next to amazing coach and kind of pick their brains, just, you know, like really relaxed , um, just five minute exchange of a conversation and they drop a gem, they drop a bomb and you’re like, wow. And it , to me, I’m like, wow, that’s really important. They just think they’re just talking. And one of the most important takeaways from two convers similar conversations was techniques are many and principles, a few. So many people like people would just be , oh , this hot new technique. Oh , have you seen this? Oh , that’s mad, but why are you doing it? And this, this is really key because you can be doing any, you can do anything, but why are you doing that? That might be totally irrelevant to the actual problem you’re experiencing. So case in point , uh , shouldn mind always saying, oh man, I wanna do armbar escapes. Why is that? Oh , keep getting armbar. Okay, cool. That makes sense. Like rational seems to follow, but maybe you are getting armbar because you’re getting your guard passed so easily. So then maybe we’ve gotta have a look at a bit of guard retention and it’s like, oh yeah, but I can’t move my hips like that. Oh , okay. So maybe it’s we go another step deeper. Your hip mobility is terrible. So you just can’t even, you haven’t even got the kind of physical vocabulary to have good guard retention. That is why you’re getting armbar all the time. So now I’ll set you up and just drill armbar escapes is sure. It’s something you need to learn somewhat beneficial. Yeah. But if we improve your hip mobility, that would give you access to greater guard retention that would improve your whole game and then suddenly defending the armbar isn’t as I , even though you want to learn it, I think it is important to try and ask a couple of questions to go a bit deeper. Cuz it’s the same as when someone goes, oh my knee hurts. You’re like, okay, well let’s look at the situation. And then you , you might find that that’s because the hip’s not doing its job or because your ankles aren’t working properly or whatever it is. And when we are to do this, when we’re actually able to better understand a position, a technique, anything a gets better, our team gets better. Our teammates get better. And just the whole environment of being able to share quality information flows on. Yeah. There’s a phenomena phenomenon could be a bit of both. Could be a bit of both that, that you see on the mats often. And that is lower belts. Teaching lower belts. Yeah . And, and you know, it’s, it’s cool. Like there , there should be an information exchange and you know, we’ll see it a lot as coaches. Right? You , you walk around someone be and you , you know , you’ll over hear a conversation. Oh , hear something else on YouTube, check it out. And a foot look like this and then you’ll see the other person have a go at it and it’ll just be a, just butcher it . Yeah. <laugh> and you know, sometimes as a coach, you jump in there and go, everybody shut the up. Erase what you just learned . Start focus on the drill. Right. Start right now. Because it , you know, because it can just become more problematic than, than not for that. Person’s learning. Sometimes you let it go. But that having standards to what is being coached, the main thing there is you can’t learn everything at once. So there’s something important as, as a coach or as a person who is about to pass on some information to a counterpart, which is you can’t give everyone everything in that moment. Yeah . So how do you go about then say, and this maybe ties into your point earlier about , uh , beginner , medium advanced or you know, having regressions and progressions for any particular thing. How do you go about identifying what it is that that person needs at the time? Well , that’s, that’s quite challenge , right ? If you’ve just started jujitsu or say you’ve done jujitsu for a year or two and you feel like, yeah, you getting a hang of it, you get in the ropes, you know, some positions, you know, some techniques, but you don’t, you don’t in no way feel like you’re an expert, but you definitely know more than someone who’s just walked in off the street. Typically the way you teach is the way you were taught. So unless you are really into it and you’re, you know, you’re looking at the Danaher DVDs and you know, like the downloads and you , you are watching stuff on YouTube. And you’re, you’re asking questions all the time, which is not a lot of people. People don’t necessarily have time for that, but let’s say you’re in a workplace and you know, you , you’ve got a group of tradies and you’ve gotta teach them some, oftentimes it’s just being able to see where someone’s going wrong and just being able to help them fix their mistake. That can have huge impact. I find one of the easiest things I can do, even though obviously people are gonna make other mistakes is saying, Hey, like, even if they’re rolling you, you can just stop the mid-roll and say, Hey, you keep putting your hand here. That’s really bad . Like, especially if they’re about to pass, stop the roll . <laugh> yeah. Do not let them PA reset. Let me have the lasso. Right. Shake hands. Okay . I wanted to show you something from here, just from here. <laugh> so I , I think one of the important things is identifying mistakes. Yeah . That’s actually, the first step is stop repeating your mistakes. That that’s the first thing I always try with any person. If they keep coming up and ask me the same thing over and over, they haven’t addressed the mistake. Once we remove the mistake, it’s like, what is the easiest thing? Or what’s the low hanging fruit for them to get better. So a lot of the time, for some people, they will be leaving their legs on the ground. They, if they’re playing guard, they won’t necessarily have their feet on the hips or they won’t be using cooks. Their legs will be relatively inactive. They’ll be framing like crazy, like pushing and grabbing and doing whatever they can with their arms. But they’re actually not even using their legs correctly from the guard. So it’s just trying to then take the step and say, Hey, the first step you gotta try and keep your legs between me and you. That is your number one goal. And, and just get them to think about that. And once they start to incorporate that, you’re like, cool. That’s level one. Then we start to go up levels from there. So the first thing I do is like, look for maybe where they might be making a mistake and then give them something easy to grab onto. I think the mistake I’ve made in the past as a coach is trying to flex my knowledge. Like , ah , I’ll show you guys. Yeah. This is really complicated. You’re gonna think I’m really smart. And then they’re just like, no , you’re coach, cuz you’re just trying to, well, they, they probably don’t. They they’re probably like, oh , I’m a learner . Oh yeah. That’s it JTS. So awesome. But it’s so smart, man . Cause you just gave us 147 pieces of information too much . I can’t remember them all. Yeah. It’s and that’s the thing that’s often the thing. And I say that is possibly one of my biggest failings is the need for me to want to give information. Cause I got all this knowledge. I wanna share it. I wanna give it, I wanna give you value. But oftentimes it’s knowing when to, you know, knowing what not to say. Yeah, yeah. A hundred percent. We’ll parallel this with what we do in the gym. This applies to our , our work in Bulletproof and, and our sort of philosophy around coaching people through strength and mobility. But it’s that triage approach. It’s like when you show up at emergency and they got the triage nurse and the nurse would be like, what happened? And he’d be like, oh , fell over. Okay. You know, something broken. Is it bleeding? How bad let me see. And they’re making an assessment on. What’s the most important thing right now. And if they’re like pretty good, they’re like, go sit over there. Doctor will come soon. Yeah. But if , if you’re like, if you’re like, oh I’ve cut the inside of eye and I’ve lost like a bucket load of blood. They’re like, right . We’ll get you straight into a doc , straight into a surgeon, you know? Like they’re so they’re identifying the most important thing right now. Definitely. And that is totally the thing with coaching. And what you just said is like identifying the mistake. Yeah . Maybe, and this is, you know , here’s a handy tip for anyone who’s doing the coaching piece. Like maybe it’s not , uh , maybe they’re not making a mistake, but maybe there’s one thing that they’re just not doing that well. Yep . Your goal should be to address just that one thing. Because like you said, the oversharing of information, this is a classic case with , uh , like say we’re teaching someone, a squat, you get someone to do a squat and then you see a few things. When you go, mate, I need you to push your knees out a little bit. Your feet are also a little bit, two far turn in. I want you to turn them out. Notice at the bottom, your hips are ducking in. So let’s keep the , the butt sticking out. And I also want you to keep your shoulders back and chest up. Yeah. And it’s like, tell me what the first three things I just said was uh, yeah. And you’re like, no , like who remembers actually ? Who knows ? So you gotta hold back. Yes. You gotta , like you said, no , not what to say. You gotta say, what is the biggest thing that needs the like the most important thing that needs dressing right now for something like a squat change, your foot position. Let’s get that right. Yeah. Okay. Now get me a set at that. Yeah, definitely . And once you’ve done that, we can talk again, but it’s like this drip feeding and I think that from a, an ego point of view, it’s very hard to do that. Yes. Because you’re intentionally withholding information, but that’s the thing is that is how somebody learns. You give them a little crumb progressively over time and it’s like, you gotta keep a hand break on yourself, don’t you? Yeah, definitely. I’ll be honest. I had a session just before it was a foundation. Gentlemen came in here, jungle brothers have a really good way to introduce people to the gym. And I was assessing him and he seemed like a smart guy, physically capable, you know, kind of just , he’s about to turn 50, really fit all this stuff. And I was like, oh , I’ve gotta , I’ve gotta shine the expert. Anyway , I wasn’t doing too much, but I was layering all this information at the start of the session. He said to me, I get pain in the middle of my knee. Like the inside of my medial part of my knee when I squat to this point, I’m good. And at this point it hurts. And I knew exactly how to sort that for him. Cuz he told me that he’d done no running. And then he did 10 Ks of barefoot running. Oh I was like, God 10 Ks of barefoot running . That’s doing so much. And I anyway, I’ve experienced a similar thing. I said, have you been to a physios or any problems? He’s like, no, no, no. I can walk upstairs. I can do everything fine. But I have this issue. We do the whole session. I’m flexing my knowledge. I’m telling whatever I can to make sure he feels he’s in good hands. And then right at the end of the session, the last five minutes, I just go, Hey man, let me just show you a quick little thing for your knee. I show him two drills, mobility and activation. And I say, now try squat. He squats, no knee pain. He’s like far out like this guy knows what he’s talking about. The rest of the session. Didn’t matter. He’s totally forgotten everything. I was trying to teach him. But now he’s like, I believe this guy, right. He’s brought in. Yeah . The whole time, like trying to really come on, man. Like I know what I’m talking about. Like believe me, he doesn’t know me from Barra slope . You know, you just need to take his pain away. Yeah. I just need to take, I need to just sort his problem. And I think if you are trying to help someone, regardless of all the info you have, if they come to you and they’ve got man, I got this problem and you just say, Hey, <affirmative> this is the simplest way to , for you to now not have that problem. That is a really good way to get somebody on the path to learning and trying to improve because often we don’t admit we don’t know stuff. Yeah. I think that’s probably a bit of a , like a problem amongst coaches. Yeah. Particularly in jujitsu. Yeah. Although I think it’s a really , um , confident thing to be able to say, I’m not familiar with that. I , I don’t actually know the answer to that question. Yeah. But let me go find out. Yeah . Like I think that if you can, if you can say that when that rather than, oh well, you know, I , I think , um, you know, he , that , that technique works because of you can come up with some, make up some obvious . Yeah . Like now you look like a GU . Yeah. You know, but the ability to just go look, I actually don’t know . No one expects you to know everything. Do they that’s . Yeah. Well, I , I think if they did, then they’re just being bloody unreasonable. Yeah. Yeah. There is only so much you can know. And, and I think people appreciate a degree of honesty. So if someone hits you with a question and you like, well , I really, I don’t know at all. That’s actually the best thing for trust cuz they know that you’re not gonna them. Yeah . So just being able to be like that, there’s , there’s two elements there. It’s like one, the person’s ability to believe you and understand you as a coach or just as a good teammate, who’s willing to share knowing your , your depth or breadth of knowledge. And then when you really know something, you , you can stand behind it. You go, yeah, I have experience. I’ve done it myself. I’ve I’ve helped other people do it. And now I can share it with you because oftentimes people will question you not because they think you don’t understand it. They just don’t understand. So they just keep asking and I asking what kind of like why and why? And I don’t get it. And really one of the hardest qualities to have as a coach or someone who wants to become a coach is just patience. Yeah . Of just being able to not strangle your mate because they’re an idiot. And you’re like, man, true jujitsu. Just understand it already. Yeah . But in the U scene that like, if I could punch you in the face, it’s like, no, it’s not what we’re doing. There’s a couple of important things there in terms of coaching folks. And I think like if we compare say strength training with jujitsu, there’s a really common thing in jujitsu where a coach will go, Hey, this is the technique we tonight here I’ll show it to you guys. They show it a few times. They talk about it. Is everyone good? Okay. Off you go. And they instantly start going in and correcting people. No, no, no. I said put the foot here and you gotta grab this sleeve. Okay. Yep . Yeah . And they start like micromanaging students before the student has even had a chance to it up. Yeah. They haven’t even done one full repetition. Yeah. Right. Because we have this desire. It’s like, no, I don’t want them to do it wrong. I want them to do it. Right. And it’s , it’s coming from the right place. We talk about strength training. And like we were just saying, there’s a real skill to being able to give people an amount of information, let them go and do a set. Then if need be, give them another piece of information to improve the set and keep it and then walk away and keep that format. Right. This needs to play out in jujitsu. If you think about like, Hey, here’s an armbar from close guard , I’m gonna give you a couple of key bits of information enough to get started. I’m gonna let you do it 10 times before I come and make changes. Yeah . And I , I really have a gripe with that when coaches get in there straight away , because you just overload the student, they’re already tr they they’re trying to remember what you said in the demo. And they’re trying to take all that and they’re trying to apply it to a live person and they’re nervous because they don’t wanna it up for the person don’t wanna look stupid. Yeah. And the time is going, so , oh , I’ve got two minutes to drill this technique. And it’s like, man, let them go. Like let that play out and then go give them some help. Don’t jump right in there. I know that for us as coaches, PTs, we’re , we’re more comfortable with that. Definitely. And it’s, it’s okay to allow somebody to sit in the discomfort or the dissatisfied action of not getting it right. Because the change, like the emotional change and also the , it , it cements in their memory more strongly when they get success, because there’s a mixture of relief and elation and like, oh , that felt good. I did that. Right. And that feeling of coming out of frustration and ah , I’ve been just it’s, it’s almost like low level shame. Like I suck. And then, ah , oh , it worked . It does work. Ah , I , I don’t suck. And that contrast is, is actually a really good learning tool in itself. This idea that everyone’s gotta be perfect. And the a at first, I think often time coaches get really , um , whether jujitsu coaches or , um , PTs , um , they’re like, oh , my client is a reflection of my teaching. So if they suck, I suck. Yeah . No, not true. Not true. Like, and I actually think jujitsu is way more complicated. Then hate lifting because you’re dealing with another human infinitely, more complicated, crazy . A Barb bell just sits there. Yeah. Whereas you might, there’s like five steps at most. Like the dark prince will actively fight against me. If I demonstrate with him on the mat, <laugh> I’m like, so you pull your, you pull your partner’s arm across like this. And he fights me like , dude, you’re the demo guy. <laugh> like work with me. <laugh> we’re not sparring, man. <laugh> come on. And , and that’s the thing. I , I , I think for anyone out there jujitsu is complicated. So even though you might know what works for you, it’s also good to say to a person who, if you’re trying to share a technique or say, you’re trying to get your, your girlfriend or boyfriend into it. And you’re just kind of trying to show him some stuff at home, say, oh , like, my legs are a bit shorter. So this is easy for me. Or, oh , your legs are a bit longer. You might need a bit more space or something like that. Like, but if you’ve never had that consideration, you’ve never tried to, you’ve never tried to think about it from someone else’s perspective that will limit your ability to communicate it. But this knowledge only comes from the practice of doing it. Yeah . So you can’t also as a coach, if we’re looking at skills, expect that you’re gonna be a great coach the first time you do it. No, that’s right. So you , and , and you’ve gotta take, I guess feedback is the big one there. Yeah. Like personal feedback, you come away from a class you’re like, did I do a , a good job of that? And he’d be like, nah , I that up. Like, I , I felt like I really, you know, and , and usually you never it up that bad people start a great time. Yeah. That’s the beauty of jujitsu, whatever happens in the class. Yeah . Everyone still gets to try and kill each other at the end, for the last, like 30 minutes, an hour, whatever. And the , all of the class prior to that has been erased , just evaporates. It’s like, that was an awesome session. Like even though you might have totally blown it, but , um, but coming away from that and giving yourself a review, like, what could I done better? Are you when, so, and so asked me about that. I didn’t have an answer for it. I need to learn that technique better. Going back to your point about having this begin a medium advanced it’s like, if you are gonna coach a technique or you are gonna coach a cross act squad , or you’re gonna show someone how to stretch their hip flexes, like cuz you saw it on our Instagram, you want to kind of know ah , well, if someone can’t get into that position, say I need to have an easier option for them. Yeah . Or actually if someone’s really good at it and that’s not tough enough, I need to have a way to make it harder. Then you’ve got like three different options. You have these variations and this becomes something you can work with. Yeah. The , the idea of like progression and regression. So actually I wanna give a big shout out . So shout out to our man, John Tang for bring this up, but also shout out to our good lady. Rachel for poker BJJ, Rachel Nelson, Nelson. What up girl representing at RM. N U she’s the first black belt under Hobson. Mora . And she’s there. She’s got her girl gang. She’s always doing mobility with them. She’s repping for Bulletproof over in the states. She’s yeah. She’s been like communicating with us since the very beginning. Yeah. And she’s recently just come on as part of the team. Yep . She’s now a us representative. She is, she’s spreading the good word for Bulletproof over there and she’s, she’s got such good enthusiasm. It’s amazing. And she does it. She’s sharing with her students. She does it herself. Like she’s a really good embodiment of somebody who walks the talk. You know, people know that about her. It’s really cool. The reason why I want to give her a shout and also give a shout out to all of our academy subscribers, the gyms out there who’ve who’ve gone. Yeah. I think this will be a good resource for my students. They are sharing. They’re doing what they can because they feel that maybe they don’t have all the answers. And they’re like, oh , this looks decent. I can share this and then hour them. And this is the thing I want to come back to. As much as you sharing with others helps you get better. Even though it takes a bit of courage because maybe you get scrutinized. Maybe you look a bit silly, whatever. When you take that step and this is truly leadership, which is taking the responsibility to say, I think I know something and I’m willing to share it . That that actually takes a bit of courage. You do it. You empower others first. It’s you doing the stretch? And then someone comes over. They join you. And they’re , they’re stretching their hip flexes before. You know it . Whole bloody class is doing it before. You know it . You’re running a bloody mobility session and that’s awesome because everybody know you’re a mobility guru. Oh my God. Got your legs behind your head man . Bun movement, coach. <laugh> I’m just mobilizing my spa . Yeah . I wanna show you my spinal waves. <laugh> just , just , just rocking. Are you locking and popping? Nah , bro . It’s movement. <laugh> um , you get a dollar thrown at you. They think you’re break dancing. No, I think it’s one of the things that holds us back from sharing is criticism. We’re like, ah , I don’t wanna look like an idiot, but obviously it’s like jujitsu, right? We all don’t know what we’re doing until we get a little bit of knowledge and we chip away, we get better over time . The practice of coaching and the practice of sharing is something that is its own skill. You have to spend a bit of time doing it, it up, getting it right to get better. And that, like you were saying, Joe , that idea of taking feedback, you can also say to someone I’ve just shown you a skill. Does that make sense? Like, do you understand that? And if they’re like, yep , I get it. And they can show you the technique you’ve communicated. Well, yeah , but if you say, Hey, show me this thing, I’ve shown you and they totally don’t get it. It’s a mixture of your communication and their , their inability to do it as well. Yeah . From a communication perspective in the coaching environment, be it in jujitsu or in the gym to tell the person the thing, show them what you want to do. And then to ask, do you understand? Can you go and do it? Yeah. And for people to go, yep . You’re like, great. But that’s also an opportunity for people to say, no , I don’t get it. I need you to , and then you’re like, okay, cool. Let me go over that piece again. Spend a bit more on it. Yeah . Yeah. But I think we often skip over that cause it’s like, ah , we’ve gotta get moving. Gotta be all right . Show me , you know, we , we’re trying to hustle through, you know, you, I mean the Jitsu class, there’s always a lot to cover. It’s like, trying to rush the warm up , trying to get the technique done . Cause we wanna roll, you know? Yeah. I a really good piece of advice that was given to me by a good friend of mine, Shannon Stewart years ago. And he said, this is really a relationships and a business thing. But he said the value of any communication can be measured by its outcome. So even if you had good intentions, even if you were trying to pay someone a compliment and you said something a certain way and they were offended. Yes. Okay. That’s a reflection of how they might be feeling, but you’ve gotta have a look at your language or you’ve gotta have a look at how you are speaking to them because that’s the point of the communication. If you can’t get your point across to them, then you’ve gotta actually ask them because some people are much better unless your goal was to offend them. <laugh> oh right . Mission accomplished. Well, no, but like as an example, like say you are, you’re trying to give someone critical feedback. Oh . And I’m like, okay, I’m gonna give this person a piece of information. You want it to , it’s gonna hurt them right now. You want , but they’re gonna go away. They’re gonna think about it . It’s ultimately gonna help them . Him , you know like you might do that in ju two . Oh no. I’m I mean, I I’m always offensive, Joe <laugh> I mean, that’s just, that’s just card bunch standard. I , you know, if you’re sensitive, get out the building, people like Juju twos for savages. If you’re not, if you’re not on board with a little bit of like, can’t take the harsh words, you’re not gonna be able to take , but more like if the message doesn’t get through. No, no , no. I totally understand. But I mean, I I’ve done it before where I’ve been too much in my own head about how I think about something and not really putting myself in their shoes. Yeah . And I think that’s the super key thing is what does this person need right now? Whether it’s Jui , whether it’s weight lifting , whether it’s anything from beginner to advance, because we, we train some pretty advanced people. Right. And I was saying this like done , you get some people you’re like, wow. They just did like a , they just did a strict muscle up . You’re like, wow. They , upper body power is crazy good. And you’re like, okay, touch your toes. And it’s like, no , they can barely reach past their knees. You’re like, right. Well, you might be like a black belt and upper body strength, but there’s clearly something that we need to work on here. And it’s easy for us to say this, but we have developed the system where you can kind of break down how is Embodi mobility and how somebody’s strengths. Whereas if someone just goes, yeah, I’m strong. I go to gym . I CrossFit I’ll do to burpees bro . <laugh> you know, like it’s it’s but when you say to them, oh like how are you at externally rotating your shoulder? Or can you reach behind your like, can you touch your hands behind your head, their world. They’re good. But then when you come to the world of jujitsu, if you don’t have the flexibility mobility piece and you’ve only got the strengths, you , you could get pretty easily broken. It might not happen straight up, but you’re gonna get bent outta shape. Yeah. So now we’re talking like in terms of how we, how we scale and how we kind of communicate through the digital way that we do through Instagram, through our online program. Yep . To, to help people, regardless of what level they’re at. Mm . And I guess what you’re pointing to there is that people might be really advanced in one thing, but there’ll be a total beginner in another. Yes. So yeah. For a lot of folks, you , you know, they might look at, at the people that we coach and think, oh , they just coach advanced practitioner. I guess what we’re saying is the way we see it, no one is advanced or everyone has things that they’re good at and things that they’re not good at and what our mission is. And this is what we’re trying to achieve with our program and with our newest program to , you know, to be released standards, we’re trying to find a way where we can meet that person where they’re at identify the weaknesses, identify the strengths and then have them focus on those weaknesses. Yeah. Still progressing those strengths, but like, all right , you’re really good at this. But you suck at all this let’s develop that so that we start to build a more balanced human. Definitely. It’s easy for us to do that. Coaching in the gym, the new frontier for us is doing it through a digital platform. Yeah. That’s right. Which is most people listening to this. That’s probably how you engage with us. Yeah. It’s a challenge, right. It’s like, and we are learning as we go. Yeah. It’s a whole different field of learning and communication because the standards are getting higher all the time. Right. I mean, we’re going up against meta <laugh> God you Zuckerberg. I know in myself that, because I’ve been , uh , coaching for a long time , uh , when I’m good, I , I can coach anybody, but then communicate that down the phone through zoom, that’s harder. If you wanna organize that into a website and somebody actually has to work their way from logging in to finding where they are in the program, stuff like that. What’s been great. And this is what we appreciate about our community is, you know, you guys are pretty generous with us. You know, we are learning and we are in a process and we are getting better. We appreciate that. You guys, you pay money for our help. And so that’s why we do as much as we do because we do want to help. And I think the great thing has been , uh , people will give us feedback. We take it on board and then we try and incorporate that as soon as we can to fix mistakes. And in the same way, if you ask us a question, we try and get back to you as soon as we can so that you can then kind of fix up whatever you are doing. Like you say, oh man, I I’m , I can do an over head press , but I can’t do a pull up . How do I do that? Say, oh, here’s how we can help you with that. If there is a way that you think we can get better, we take feedback on. And that is actually a sign of a good coach. They usually say that , uh , if someone can’t take feedback, they’re usually not good at giving it either. So if you’ve got someone who’s really bad at, at communicating, it’s just that practice of give and take. And I think when it comes down to sharing jujitsu or sharing mobility technique, your ability to put yourself in someone else’s shoes and give to them is at the heart of that. Mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah, I agree. I am I dude , I think that’s, that’s it for us today. Now guys, if you, you , uh , are hearing this and you are , you’re at the save of your jujitsu journey, but you know, someone and you think they might benefit from hearing this or they might like it, please feel free to share it with them. 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