#16 Joey’s Latest Comp Experience: Prep, Diet & Performance
On today’s episode Joey speaks on his most recent Competition experience. He reveals his diet and dealing with weight loss for comp, his specific BJJ competition prep and what it was like on the day being back in the competition area after a long hiatus.
One of the other major things that may be something you are facing; to Master or not to Master? You are athletic enough to hang with the young people but you are in your 30’s.
Does doing Masters Division make you a has been?
In this entertaining discussion the boys touch on all the major factors that can help you prepare, show up and have a great comp without killing yourself.
Speaker 1: 0:04
Very careful a good martial artist does not become tense, but ready, essentially at this point, the fight is over. So we pretty much flow with the goal who was worthy to be trusted with the secret to limit the spot.
Speaker 2: 0:28
I’m ready. Ladies, gentlemen, welcome to another Bulletproof for BJJ podcast. And today we are talking about Joey’s competition experience
Speaker 3: 0:39
Sunday, last weekend night . Tell us
Speaker 2: 0:41
All about it. Catch us up all the, all the vibes, the prep on
Speaker 3: 0:45
It . So I’ll give you guys, I’ll set the scene for you guys. So you know how this went down. So I’ve been a brown belt for five or six years. I can’t, it’s been that long that I’ve I’ve lost track. I can’t remember. Um, and that was, you know, I think we might have spoke about this in another episode, but I, you know, I kind of lost touch, lost the love for the game for a little while. Started, started a business, you know, things conspired to me, just sort of taking a break for awhile anyway, got back in , fell back in love with you do to probably about year and a half, two years ago, much. Thanks to our mutual friend, Adam Childs , shout out , um, uh, awesome guy. My coach opened his gym in , in Sydney at rose bay and that was really me sort of kicking back off against , so I kind of started brown belt again in a sense with him anyways. Um, I’m 37. I don’t really have any, I competed quite a bit at like white, blue and a little bit at purple. Um, never really had any great desire to compete at brown. Um, but I’d said, I want you to do this. I want you to do a comp. Sure. And so I was like, all right , well us . Go do a comp. So I did the comp and , uh , it was, it was a local, it was a local comp here in Sydney, autumn cup, autumn cup. Yeah. It was not a huge deal at all. Uh, I entered two divisions, so I just did gay . I didn’t I’m like, all right, I don’t have any interest in spending the whole day worrying about when I’m competing in between gay and no gay and white and absolute. So I said, I’ll just do gay and I’ll do both divisions. So I registered for my weight and for absolute cool. Um, which is great. And I, and then the, in , he was the big one that I had to throw around was like, do I do , um, masters or adult or masters too . Oh , okay. Yeah , yeah. You know , each piece, each piece. And I’m like, well, you know, I don’t want to face some 19 year old brown belt on a tear through the competition circuit. You know, I was like, but then at the same time, I don’t want to , I don’t see myself as like, you don’t see someone as the older. Yeah . I’m not the old guy I’m like, and I’m like, I don’t want to , I don’t, I don’t want to voluntarily like choose to make it easier now. Not that going masters makes it easier. Sure. Cause you get guys with more experience , you get Cozumel strength. Yes . Often don’t you? Yeah. Um, you know, and like, you right here . So in any case I registered for adult the, what made me make that decision? Was you saying , um, well look, you , people typically go masses when they’re sort of fitness and athleticism is taking you down to climb and he’s like yours isn’t so go adult . And I was like, all right . That makes sense. And then the other side of it was I looked at who had registered for this call and leading up to it. And , um, there wasn’t many people registered and I’m like, well, chances are, if I enter masters , there’s not going to be anybody for me to compete against that’s. Right. So I entered a doll and it turned out that there was one guy in my white division. Right. Uh, and then in the absolute, there ended up being a total of eight competitors. Okay. Now on the day, how can we
Speaker 2: 3:51
Backpedal a second? Because there is a piece of this, which, you know, all of you out there in the world of jujitsu may, you know, relate to, is the pre-camp is like, so before we get straight into the comp day, there was a little bit of work for you leading into this comp because you hadn’t competed for a while . Can you talk us through a
Speaker 3: 4:10
Little bit around? Yeah. Okay. So in terms of the training yeah . The training
Speaker 2: 4:14
And just the whole, you know, everything that goes with having competed or I’m about to do a comp wherever you might be in your competition experience, whether you’ve done one or you haven’t what talk us through that.
Speaker 3: 4:26
So I guess from that , yeah, from that side of things for me at the moment, pardon me changing my, changing the structure of my training. Wasn’t really an option. Yeah . I train two days a week. Yes. And I was like, well, I I’ve got competing obligations on family business, whatever. So I’m like, that’s not really going to change even though ideally it would have, yes. I was like, I would be really good to get a third session a week, but less . So , um, the two sessions that I would do, I , I normally train the double session , uh , over at Alliance, which is like a one hour session and then a 90 minute session. But I switched to just the 90 minutes. Yup . Cause even though it’s less training volume, I applied myself , uh , in a more focused way. So I’m like, all right, I’m going to show up to this session. I’m going to do a good warmup for class and to think about what I’m trying to achieve tonight. And then I’m going to try and with more intent quality. Yeah. And , uh, and that was really beneficial. And they were like sort of comp prep classes. Yep . So which getting after it really , um, very high intensity. Yup . Um, and I, I made the decision to compete about six weeks out from combine thing . So we had about six weeks laid up. Um, that also got me thinking about all right, what’s my game, what’s my game. And I’ve never been the kind of guy I never liked having a game show . And I don’t know if this was me just trying to find an easy way out of like, not being too committed to a competition too cool for school. But I was always just like, ah , they just show up and do to do to , you know, and it usually worked pretty well for sure. Um, so I, you know, I kind of had to fight that a little bit and you know, Adam is a very , um, he’s a very , uh, motivated and engaged coach. Um, always, but specifically in the realm of competition yes. Standards, he has preparation sort of , um, you know, things that you have to do. He has like, he wants to talk with you about your mental preparation and he wants to talk to you about game . So I was like, alright , I need to , um , I need to deliver here. Like I need to be this committed as well. Yes. So yeah. Started to formulate a bit of a game , uh , pulled you aside and got to pick your brain. I think we did some drilling on like a couple of Fridays leading up to it. We did, which was really good. Cause it was like, JT, can I just run my game by you? Then you just sort of give me a thought, so you let me drill it on you. Um, and it was like a standing game and then a guard game. And then you were like, what about this? What about this? Maybe you could add this in. And that was really beneficial. Um, and besides that, besides like the training prep, the only other prep that I had was getting my weight on point .
Speaker 2: 6:55
Yeah. Then that , that is an important thing in jujitsu is the white category.
Speaker 3: 7:00
Yeah. And I was looking at it and I’m like, all right. I was sitting at around 89, 90 kilos and I’m looking at the divisions and I’m like, well, I’m not, I don’t carry 90 kilos particularly. Well, how’s it going myself? I’m a bit puffy. Hey, you’ve got a young son. You can do whatever you like now it’s true. Right. But I was like, I worked really hard to get to 90. Um , here’s a little insight for you guys. I worked really hard to get to nine . And then when I got there, I’m like, ah , hang on. I’m just, that’s not entirely true guys. Like, you know , there’s fat, there’s fat. Like yeah, no speaking as somebody. And who’s
Speaker 2: 7:32
Kept a very like good amount. Yeah . Body composition, muscle mass, et cetera. So when Joe says, ah , I was fat, he’s just talking about possibly, you know, three kilos of retained water because of
Speaker 3: 7:45
Increased carb consumption and maybe a piece of rice. And I felt myself in flight and then like maybe a little bit of body fat maybe, but yeah, definitely heavier than his efficient. Yeah. And I was like, all right . So looking at the categories, it was in 85 kilo division, but, or 80, whatever the . But it had like a 3.3 kilos allowance for the gate or two points either way. It was 88.3 right in the gate somewhat . Well I’m like 89. Yup . Let’s just drop down to 85. Sure. I had the time. So I jumped on , um , a nutrition plan with a mate of ours. Karen LaFave. Yes. Um, shoots a lot of stuff for Bulletproof. He does a lot of our videos, smart guy. Lovely guy also has a really cool YouTube channel. Check that out. Kiran , the FEV , where he talks about jujitsu from a white belt perspective, which is actually quite fascinating. Pardon me, got a bit of a cold at the moment. Probably hugging all those dudes a competition. But , um, anyways, I just went into a calorie deficit. Yes. And just like , um, strategically or rather kind of systematically just dropped weight week by week, but
Speaker 2: 8:53
You tightened things up, right. There was specific things that you did. Totally.
Speaker 3: 8:57
I was in a calorie deficit, so I was about 500 calories under maintenance level. And I was doing some intermittent fasting , uh , five days a week. And you know, I pretty much sort of cut out anything that didn’t fit in with that. So kind of alcohol was out, sugar was out high-fat foods were out. And I stuck to that. I still had a splurge a little bit here and there on weekends, a couple beers at a social event, but that was about it and was comfortably at 85 kilos, like two weeks out from comp . So that was really, really good manageable. Look at me now, so he’s put that five kilos back in muscle. Um, so, so you, it sounds cause for a lot of people, that’s a battle.
Speaker 2: 9:37
A lot of people, it’s not that easy to just go, well, I’ll just tighten up and drop five killers . Like a lot of people, they got to work quite hard , uh, for the, for the white cut weight loss piece. It sounds like that wasn’t the biggest challenge for you. But I mean obviously with your background being used to eating clean over a period of time, it’s not hard for you to switch into that gear. Um, your energy was all right, while managing that you didn’t find that you were getting narky or feeling the need to slap me more than usual.
Speaker 3: 10:09
Yeah. I mean, you know, sometimes showing up to the podcast in the morning, I’d be like, you really nice to just eat something. And plus I’d be like, Hey man, I’m going to go get a coffee . I’m getting a burger. Do you need some, do you want a breakfast burger, bro? They put these hash Browns in it . Delicious. Um, yeah, no, you know, there’s a there’s times like that where you’re like, oh . It would be really nice just to have some breakfast, particularly after a heavy training day, the night before. Yes . Uh , I train Monday, Wednesday night. So usually choose that Thursday mornings. I’m like, I’m actually just tired. Yes. But because I, you know , train late Finn , don’t get to bed on time, wake up sort of still pretty over the next day, a bit depleted when you’re a bit tired. Like that’s really nice just to eat something. Yeah. You know? So , um, yeah, whatever. It’s small struggle. Sure. But being that I was like seeing the number on the scales go down and I’m like, I’m getting leaner . Yes. I was like, this is sick. Like this is working. This is what I want. Like I want to be on white for the comp , but also like to look this way. Sure. So it was, it was quite motivating and um , you know, and I’m still eating foods that I like. Yeah. You know, it was just like, do the fasting only ate this amount of food and, and by, by fasting , um , and this is, we do a nutrition, one where we, where we kind of said , uh , one of our previous episodes where we’re like, guys, don’t fast, like it’s intermittent fasting. And then at the end of the episode, I’m like, so I’m doing a bit of faster , well, look , this always used to use strategically strategic cause I was in a calorie deficit. So I’m only allowed to eat, you know, let’s say less food than I would like to. So by restricting the hours in which I can eat each day, eating window, that eating window is actually full of food. Yes. Because instead of spacing out 2,500 calories over like a 16 hour day, it’s crammed into eight. Yes. So it’s like lunch, couple hours later, yogurt and fruit cup out of shake, banana cup , our dinner, like it’s a big day of eating. Yeah. Um, so that’s the strategy.
Speaker 2: 12:03
Yeah . And , and, and different people respond differently with calorie restriction. Some people can do the fasting thing. Other people can not depending on, you know , how full on their days. Cause some people don’t eat lunch. Right? Like they’re busy at work, they have meetings or this stuff. So if you’re prepping for your digital comp and you’re trying to lose weight for a weight category, you need to find the way to manage it for yourself. The fasting thing actually,
Speaker 3: 12:29
And do it in advance. Yeah . I didn’t want to be that guy that I never had to do it much, but you know, I did it a little bit where you’re like starving yourself in the days before camp going for long runs and. You’re like, oh, I’ve got to drop two kilos in. And you’re like, like it’s not a MMA fight. You don’t have a 24 hour in . Yeah. You’re weighing in on the day here. Like you want to arrive at that calm feeling like fed good and satisfied at least on that front because you’re going to be nervous about competing. So like do it in advance. So you’re not chasing your tail on the day.
Speaker 2: 13:00
Yeah. I agree with that entirely. Definitely. And I think this other thing too, that’s a very good point to show up prepared. So you’re not using conscious energy worrying about, oh, am I on weight ? Am I not on weight ? Like you have enough to think about, you have enough to manage from an like a stress perspective from a , uh , uh, a body management perspective, making sure you’re hydrated all that. If you’re trying to factor in, am I on weight ? Am I not on weight ? Do I need to go and lose weight? This tea has a huge toll on your ability to just function as a really good athlete. And you, you genuinely, if you show up in that state, you’re probably not going to be putting in good performances. So you didn’t have to worry about that. So now let’s skip forward to on the day job , because obviously you and I did a bit of work and you put in your hard work and you knew you were as ready as you were going to be by the week of you show up on the day, talk us through that.
Speaker 3: 13:59
Um, so you get to the camp . I kind of timed at my, my first match was in my white category and there was one guy in my white category ride . So fights on at 10 50 in the morning. So I timed it so that I got, pardon me? I got to the comp at about , uh , 10 o’clock. Yeah. I didn’t want to be there for too long before that. So got in there. Um, got settled chucked on my gate, checked my divisions , um, started warming up, was like , like it was all moving quite quickly, which I like, cause I don’t want to be sitting there for ages thinking about it, watching other people compete, get my energy up. You don’t get all adrenalized and. Yeah. Um , was quite excited for that match. You know, you know, you go in, you do your way in , you walk out there , like you have to just go out and stand behind them and you know , you’re like, it’s, you know, you’ll be up next kind of thing. And you’re like, this is on, it’s on. And I’m looking at it and there’s all these other brown belts, but different sizes. So I’m like, I’m the guy that’s saying, Hey, what’s going on? I’ve seen you bro. My name’s Joey . What’s up. Like , I’m trying to make friends with everyone. Sure. Um, and people are generally pretty friendly. That’s not me. Yeah. If we were fighting each other, man , I’ll be in the corner.
Speaker 2: 15:04
I’d have like, you know, I don’t know some kind of angry music in my ears and I’ll be jumping up and down on the spot. Just like smoke coming out of my nostrils. Like if you come near me
Speaker 3: 15:14
Nearby , I am making friends
Speaker 2: 15:17
After I beat you. Sure we can shake hands and have a chat . But beforehand you better be fricking scared
Speaker 3: 15:22
Sign . We’re polar opposites opposite . I just, I can’t bring that energy. Even if I try it, it would be. So you’d be like, what’s that guy doing? I’m like the little Chihuahua it’s the life of the pilot . No , it’s still true. Joe. Joe is , Joe is lulling you into a false sense of security . You know , I can go for it once we’re in there. But it’s, it’s kind of what fuels you. Yeah, definitely. But you have
Speaker 2: 15:44
A disarming, your, your manner is disarming.
Speaker 3: 15:47
Like , ah , he seems like a nice guy. Yeah. Maybe it’s just, cause I don’t know you. Why did I say to me ? Why did I say image guy? You are bro. You need to amp up. And I’m like, bro , I compete from a place of love. This is a guy on the sideline . Um , you know, so I’m all ready to go. And we had Kiran there, he had his camera. He’s like, dude, I’m going to shoot. Oh , I’m going to shoot. You fights can make sick video for you. Cool. I’m like, bro, this is awesome. You know? And I’m do doesn’t show up. And they’re like, sorry, your no show. You are scratched. Yes . Like a he’s injured. He’s not coming. And I’m like, her. I, so I ran to the organizers. Well I gotta tell like the support crew. I’m like coach, there’s no fight videographer. There’s no fight . Oh God , my love, you know, with my son, I’m like just wait . And so I go to the organizers . I’m like, can you guys put me up a white category? Can I fight like heavy? Or can I fight masters ? Getting back with me with the old guys, I’ll break their athlete , Riddick joints. And um , they’re like, so man, we can’t, there’s no changes on the day. Dang . So it was like, well , um, you got the absolute light for that. So yeah, it was a bit deflating, to be honest, I was quite disappointed. Cause I was really keen to just get, cause there’s something, when you’re looking at a comp way alike, you’re looking at how many fights they’re out of win . And you’re like, oh man, I gotta fight like four times. Or you know, when you’re a white belt, it’s like 5, 6, 7 matches . And there’s something that’s intimidating about that. Whereas when it’s like one fight, this Southern kind of it’s very digestible . You’re like, ah , it’s gotta bring it. We’ve got one fight. Go for it, whatever happens. I’m still getting a silver medal. And so , um, that’s , that’s not how I look at things, people, but sure. Yeah, you can look at that. It was, but it was, it felt like a nice way for me to get back into comparation right. The ice. Yeah. And so I was disappointed that that didn’t happen. And so then it was like, all right, four hours until God,
Speaker 2: 17:38
The waiting around, I think this is something that’s not spoken about enough. And I talk about this a lot with people who haven’t done comps before, even though jujitsu , technically of swords is a sprint like it’s short, right? You’re a white belt. You’re fighting five minutes. Even if you’re a black belt, 10 minute match, it may not go the distance, but then 30 minutes, 40 minutes, your next match. And if you have more, like it’s stretching out over hours and you’ve got to manage yourself. Right. So the waiting game of digital tournament may that’s, I believe whoever manages their energy across the day better. They’re the person who shows up in the final rocking and rolling. How did you manage your energy across that? It’s fine .
Speaker 3: 18:18
Yeah. It’s a great point. Um, I, I was really happy to be able to coach some of the, some of the guys from my gym. Cool. But I was also aware that that that coaching responsibility would take my energy. So I was like, all right , I’m going to do a bit. So, you know, I had an hour, so I’m like, all right , well, let’s get in there. And you know , um, saw a couple of like helped a couple of guys with tear through that divisions. And, and that was curing competitor to me and competed bunch, the other guys, you know? And so Adam, he had his work cut out cause he’s like, so-and-so’s over there , Santos here. And then, so this guy
Speaker 2: 18:54
Is , even though we’re here in Australia and we can’t have jujitsu tournament’s unfortunately , uh , there are, you know, we’re very grateful that we can have comps. Some of you can’t, there are restrictions on coaches. So you’re only, I had one coach per team, which means if you’ve , if you’re a coach and you’ve got a lot of white belts , you’re one guy you’ve got 30 Keizer running around after guys and girls, man, that’s, I’ve done something similar before. That’s that’s crazy. That’s brutal. So it’s great that you could jump in and help out.
Speaker 3: 19:21
So yeah, I did a bit of that at the same time. There’s so much socializing going on when you’ve been in the game for as long as we have so much training to all these old friends, really great. Catch-ups , you know , awesome. Just it’s filled my cup a lot just to see a lot of old friends and catch up with people and even people that I don’t know that well, but maybe they follow Bulletproof and they’re like, oh bro, I love the podcast or yeah, I follow the program. It’s like. Yeah. Like cool. We get to hang out part of the community. Yeah , yeah. You realize, so I had a bunch of that and then there was just a couple of times strategically where I just left and I would go out and sit out at the cafe. They got like a little Adrian . I’d just sit there and chill out by myself for a while . Um, my Mesa, my lady and my son, Leo, they , they were there for the match, but once it wasn’t on, she’s like we’re going to go home so she could feed him and stuff. Apparently he shoot himself and was a total mess. So she got babies and I pull it together. I’ll work it out. Um, but so, you know, so they were so yeah, so I was just kind of dosing in on the energy as I needed it. And then really? Yeah. Once the, once the absolute got going, it was like, all right , cool. Let’s just ramp it back up. And I found that by the time I got there, I was actually pretty subdued. Even though I was like, trying to sort of like, let’s get into it again. Yeah . It was like four, o’clock got dirty . That it’s hard. And
Speaker 2: 20:37
I think this is something else that’s not talking about. Which look guys, you know, I’ve been living in basketball stadiums since I was quite young, all martial arts tournaments get held in basketball stadiums. Right. Because that’s where the mat space is or netball stadiums.
Speaker 3: 20:50
So that to organize . Yeah. So I mean, that’s the thing, like when you’re ,
Speaker 2: 20:56
Um, when you’re inside all day, there’s not good. Air-con , it’s artificial light. It there’s a weird humidity to the space of people kind of
Speaker 3: 21:05
testosterone. You too . Like, it’s like this, it’s like this haze of like stress hormones.
Speaker 2: 21:11
Yeah. It’s not a relaxed environment. It is people yelling and yeah , it’s , it’s, it is a stressful thing. And if you’re not used to it, it’s going to zap your energy and even just yeah. Having to wait for the absolute , which if you’ve competed before, you know what that’s like, you’re like, yes, I do want to compete against everybody, but man, I didn’t sign up for the four or five hour. Wait. And depending on what organization you’re competing at, you know, you might not get on them . What time did you actually get up for ?
Speaker 3: 21:36
Yeah, they , they were only 40 minutes late, which was actually pretty good. It was like four 10 meant to be three 30. It was four hours , hours impressed. But it’s hard to G up after that super high , super hard. And it took, it took my opponent in the first absolute match to put me in an arm bar for me to switch off. I mean the arm bar, I stood up and I’m like, I’m not getting onboard son. But I was like, see , it was like, oh, I’m in Ann Arbor . And then I’m like, it’s go time and then escaped and then managed to pass and about him. But it was like, I needed that. And I was actually maybe a bit fortunate. He had this, he , uh , he was a smaller guy. Um , probably the white division below. I’d say a nice fella called Oliver from Woolongong . Shout out, shout out breath. Thank you. And uh , he brought the heat, like a very frenetic , uh, open guard game, Della Hebrew, Riversdale Heba , bababababa AMBA . And then I was like. And then, and then, you know, and then I was able to switch on. Yeah . So , uh, yeah, good. Fortunate. It was a great match. I was glad I got the job . Yup .
Speaker 2: 22:39
Course. And uh, the Joey patented Pharcyde ombre destruction from side control and they move. I know, but God, he does it well. Um, so having gotten that out the way your heads back in the game , uh, you may be having a look at other matches. How, what was the break like between that match and your next
Speaker 3: 23:03
It was , um , kind of, it was pretty short was probably about 15 minutes. 10 minutes, maybe that’s manageable. Yeah. Um, yeah, it was fine. I was keen to go. There was a bit of a mix-up with the thing. So they were like calling a guy. I knew I was going to be pretty soon after I knew I was going to be competing against guy called Nathan. Ready ? Shout out to the vanilla gorilla piece , man. I know strong man. Yeah. I know Nate from back when we used to do a bit of training with Rob Whitaker . Nice. Um , shout out champ. [inaudible] let’s get that title back, son , boy. Um, but we, you know, so I was like, he’s a big guy, very physical fighting man . I’m like, right . This is going to be, I kind of , I can feel what kind of match this is going to be. Yes. But we’d been like broken down since in the day I was like, oh , we’re in the absolute together. And he’s a really lovely guy. So we were like, man, like , it’d be sick if we get to compete, blah, blah, blah, that whole thing. And um , they were calling his name and then I’m watching him compete and they’re calling his name and I’m like, guys, that’s that’s the guy there. So what had happened is I think one or two of the guys who were in the absolute ,
Speaker 2: 24:04
Uh, had left, they saw you and freaked out. They’re like, no, we don’t want none of that smoke.
Speaker 3: 24:09
So that year, so it was like, it went from eight guys to six. Right? Yup . So all of a sudden , um, once I finished that match, I went and looked at the screen and it’s like Nathan and Joe for the final. Right. And I’m like, oh , should , it was meant to be three fights . It’s just two for me. There you go. I think it was just too for him as well. Um, so yeah, so it was cool. Uh, you know, we broke it down and then we stepped on the mat and then we tried to do the thing get after it. Yeah. Unfortunately he , uh, he outpoint , he got two points on me. It was a, God, by like sacrifice, throw attempt from me that turned into a gospel . Somehow he got the points for it. I don’t know what happened. She got to watch it back, maybe tap the photo or something. Um , and then it was just able to shut me down and I couldn’t, I couldn’t get anything going .
Speaker 2: 24:50
Yeah . That’s so frustrating. Big guy to you too . And it’s not that he’s not a technical guy, but ladies game really well. Yes. That’s, that’s
Speaker 3: 24:58
True. You know, and he just, yeah. And , and , and it was not, yeah, it wasn’t the , the , the dynamic match I wanted it to be. Yeah . Not the back and forth yeah. Exchange showing like skills and go at , yeah. It was just like two rocks.
Speaker 2: 25:14
And I think that’s, that is something that is probably not talked about enough in jujitsu , even though we’re all aware of it. When you get two opponents who are either very technically well-matched or physically well-matched, or , or both like physically and technically well-matched, it’s going to be, it’s going to be quite, it’s very rare that you’re going to get some big outcome there. Uh, just, just by the sheer nature of, you know, force V force. And then also I’m not going to let you do what you want and you’re not going to let me do what I want. And that’s it. I think as somebody I’ve always said it , that even if I lose, even if I provided, I get to show my jujitsu and show my skills and have an exchange that is good for me, I don’t even really like winning if it’s just like two points or an advantage or whatever, I mean, or wins a win. That’s great. But it can be a frustrating experience. Yeah, totally. Yeah . And so having, having had that, reflecting on that, because you , you know , it’s the first competent while , is there anything you would have done differently or does this make you think about competition differently or what’s the vibe coming, coming out of comp now?
Speaker 3: 26:24
Definitely. I mean, there’s definitely things I would have done differently kind of technically. Um, but no, like I’m really quite happy with how it all went. I, I kind of said to myself somewhere in the morning where I was like, if I get like, I just want to win one fight. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? I’m like having competed for like, or six years. Yep . First comp at brown belt, first comp , since my ACL reconstruction. How, how wasn’t it, were you thinking about, was it not , not at all. Oh, amazing. I didn’t think about it. I mean, you know, my God is like, as we spoke about , um, not on the podcast, but my God is not what it used to be. There’s like an aggressiveness to my legs that I’ve lost. Yeah. You come in and tremble or just , yeah . In a weird angle, I’m kind of a bit sluggish with the legs . So , um, I’ve lost a bit of that. And so looking back, I had one opportunity with my ex guard and he just like shoved my leg and step through to a half guard really quickly. And , uh , I was like, I would , I wish I could have been more aggressive at that point. Cause I have changed the outcome of the fight. Um, but no, like I, I you’ve come out quite unscathed. It’s quite escape . My knee feels great. I had an ankle injury leading up to the fight. I had a flare up of this old, this old soccer injury out of nowhere. It used to bug me when I was at like white and blue belt. And then out of nowhere it just came up about five weeks out from comp when we started doing the competition training, they’re doing more standup, right? Yeah. Yeah . All of this like, like long sessions on the fate and uh, anyway that didn’t flare up. So I’m like, man, I feel great . I feel better than if I had done a hard training session, right. With you or down at lions . It’s like, I really had two matches and neither of them were particularly dynamic. Right. Um, you know, one thing I think that I wanted to talk about , uh, was like the , the feelings, like almost like the vulnerabilities going into competition. Yes. For me, there was a huge thing where it’s like, I have been a brown belt for that long that I’ve seen. There was a guy at the concert yet I was telling Jason is for check this out. There’s a guy at the comp his is Winston. Uh , he got out wins to shout out Winston. He was refereeing. We had a chat and he said, bro, I, I , um, I used to train with your teammate Diego. And I was like, oh, well . Yeah, Diego is a legend. How cool he goes, yeah. Diego got me into Judea too . And I said, that’s awesome. And he goes, bro, when I started, you were a brown belt. And I was like, holy. And I’m like, what are you? Are you like brown belt now? He’s like, I’m a black belt. And I was like, holy. Oh my Magnus . I’m like, man, what a crazy thing. Right. I’m like, if I [inaudible] there and I had that feeling where I’m like, I’m stepping into the comp where I’m like, man, I should be a black belt, you know? But then it’s also like, well, no I shouldn’t because there’s no like nothing’s guaranteed in this kind of hard and fast rules around that. And it’s like, I could have just quit at yeah. At any stage. But instead it’s like, everyone’s timeline is unique. Yes. So when you step into comp , this there’s still, they have that thing in mind where like, well I should be a black belt, so I should be icing this brown belt division. Yeah. Sure . People are watching me and they’re expecting me to do that. Yes. And you know, when you step back from it, you realize no one’s watching you. No one gives a. People are just happy for you to be competing for sure. Um, it doesn’t work like that. It’s why, when you it’s slack , when you watch , uh , these young guys on flow , grappling and stuff who are like, just got promoted from like whatever, I got promoted to black belt and they’re winning or placing podium in these black belt comps . And you’re like, but two weeks ago the guy was a brown belt here , but it doesn’t, it is not like the , the competition is not reflective necessarily of like how much of a veteran you are. Yes . It’s a different environment. It is. So anyway, just, I think that, that, that sort of pressure that you put on yourself of like expectation is a really interesting one because we all deal with it. Yes we do. And I, and I know, I know that the times when I had probably the least amount of stress stepping into a camp was when I had just gotten that belt. Right. Because you’re like, well, I just got the belt. No one expects me to win. Yeah . And often you go into those comms and you surprise yourself because you’re kind of stress free.
Speaker 2: 30:32
Yeah. The less expectation can definitely help. And just as a Headspace , cause I mean, we can always kind of ch not choose it, but we can, we can get ourselves into a head space of taking the pressure off ourselves. But because it is a performance environment because it is a competition, you know , uh, for the best part, if you’re a competitive human, you go on there, the win . You’re not, you’re not like, oh , I’ll just go in there. If I lose, I’m happy with that. No, no one really wants to lose. And obviously they ,
Speaker 3: 31:00
I gotta say, I’m not like I’m not going in there to lose, but I’m just going in there to do good. I, in a sense, I don’t mind, like, I , I think in this goes back to what we’re talking about. Like the, what fuels you for comp. Yes . I don’t so much care about, necessarily about winning. Okay. Well, I only care about winning . It’s like I can’t compute what, what is coming from your place ? This point,
Speaker 2: 31:29
I’m a hyper competitive person. I don’t have, as I got too much testosterone or I’m insecure or where it comes from. But like it’s a little from
Speaker 3: 31:37
Column a column,
Speaker 2: 31:41
But no I’m saying like, especially hanging out with other people who are competitors, there’s this constant mental thing of like a UBIT weaker today. Am I going to get you today? Like even just on a mental level, like
Speaker 3: 31:55
Banter level. Yeah . And it’s like, oh look tired, very tired, tired , Hey, you’re taping your ankle . What’s going on with your uncle , you know, stuff like this.
Speaker 2: 32:02
And so it’s , it’s funny how ingrained that isn’t me. And it’s so difficult for me to switch that off. That’s why competition is not necessarily the healthiest thing for me, because it’s almost like addiction. It’s like all consuming. It’s so consuming for me. And to be honest guys, you know, I haven’t, I haven’t competed at black belt. I’ve only competed once or twice at brown belt. And now very small comps, nothing to speak of. Um,
Speaker 3: 32:22
Nothing as big as the new south Wales,
Speaker 2: 32:24
Autumn cup, knowing nears being . But it’s also that thing if you’ve been to worlds , um, or you’ve had an MMA, like it’s all levels of like adrenaline, like drug consumption , uh, you develop a tolerance. So when you’ve been to worlds and you you’ve to you , the best of your ability, maybe you podiums, or maybe you got through the first couple of rounds wherever you placed, that’s the big show, right? That’s the Colosseum , the circus, oh man. I saw this legend and I sat next to Victor, a steamer after you steamer
Speaker 3: 32:53
Locked a guy. And he talked to me in, you know, like, oh , you’re, you’re part
Speaker 2: 32:57
Of the big show. You know, you feel part of this bigger thing and you come home to your local camp . You’re like, yeah, like you just, it’s not sexy. Like it’s still valid. There’s no less validity in any comp. But it’s interesting that over time, if you’re doing , like, I am a bit of an adrenaline junkie when you want that hit. And that excitement comp is always fun and it’s always informative, but you know, when you show up and it’s just like, maybe you’re even going up against the teammate. You’re like, man, I smoked this guy in training. Like, you know , I, you know , I think that that can affect your, your psychology towards the tournament.
Speaker 3: 33:35
There’s a good takeaway in that for listeners, I think in regards to like what your intention is by entering the competition. Yes. And you know, there are people out there like pat like yourself, where it’s like, this is a competition and I want to win it and I’m going to put on my, like , I’m going to prepare absolutely as best I can. Um, and I’ve had that at times, Mac , you know , sort of blue purple belt with competitions where it’s like, yeah, I’m going to smash this one. This is I’m winning this. Yup . But then probably the majority of my competition , um, experience has been, I really like training and I’m like pretty good. Um, so I’m just going to enter the camp to kind of see how I go. Yeah . And when I do that, which is kind of the same with this one, like yeah, I did a bit of comp prep. I asked you some questions. I, I became more focused. I asked Adam specific questions, but I was still only training a couple days a week. Sure. You know, it was like, I made it fit into my life. And so in that regard, because I didn’t commit a lot to it. I didn’t have a lot of commitment in my mind to be like, well, you should be winning this because you’ve been training two days a week. Yeah. You got , I mean, it was like, you were , you were less invested, so you had less, less to lose. Exactly. And you know, there’s an argument for is that may keeping one foot out so that I don’t make, so I’m not as vulnerable or is it me just like making the comp work for where I am in my life. I tend to think it’s more the latter. Yeah. I mean, cause I don’t, cause I like to just train the way I train. Sure.
Speaker 2: 35:06
Yeah . Yeah . And I think it can, it can be both because I’m someone who’s trained five or six days a week plus lifting plus judo plus everything else and then not competed,
Speaker 3: 35:18
Kept a competitor just
Speaker 2: 35:20
So I could hang with my buddies who are ultra competitive. So I think for you guys out there, if you haven’t done a comp, definitely do it. Like I think it’s, it’s such an informative experience within jujitsu and knowing your own game, because then you would, you would definitely say coming out of this comp Joe , um, that gives you some feedback about what you’re doing and
Speaker 3: 35:42
Certainly what you might do next time. Yeah . So much. And I mean, there’s so much like I’m very proud of myself for doing it because I could have just easily not done it true. And having my partner there and having my son there and you know what I mean? He’s just sleeping and vomiting the whole time, but it’s like, but you know, like doing that and like having that day with them and you know, thinking like she’s never seen me , she’s never seen me can paint something like that. That was all really cool. You know? And, and also like for, for my coach, like I know he wanted, you know, he’s like, I want you to compete. So I’m like, and I want to do right by him. Yes. Um, so the feeling afterwards is great. And I think that I would feel, even though literally I’ve been waking up throughout the night for the , like, since the comp thinking about what I could have done better in the final. So somewhere in me, there is that thread of competitiveness that, that, you know, is like , uh , comes to the surface. Um, but , um , I’m just kind of , as soon as you’ve done it, irrespective of the outcome, you’re like, that’s mad. I did something that was, you know, it was a challenge. I didn’t really want to do it and I’ve done it and I’m fine. And it was enjoyable and it’s, you know, I’m better off for having had that
Speaker 2: 36:46
Experience. Yeah, definitely. And I think I would definitely say that I have always been better off for every competition experience, win, lose, or draw. However, it went, it informed my jujitsu and it’s also given me, me something to aim for. And so I think that’s a great thing guys. So if you’re , if you’re not sure if you’ve never competed or say, haven’t you similar to Joe , you haven’t competed in a while and you’re like, no , I want to get back in there. Do it. I think there’s no real downside because honestly you’re just as likely to get injured , uh , training trainings , where you get injured right. Then, then necessarily at a comp . So take the fear factor out. And man , I think it’s so good. Thank you for sharing that with Australia.
Speaker 3: 37:31
So awesome. My brother . Thank you. Thanks for listening guys had , that was fun. Yeah, no, I appreciate you guys out there and , and Hey
Speaker 2: 37:37
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Speaker 3: 38:31
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Speaker 1: 39:06